Does anyone have experience with a dog that always or almost always has only "slip ties"? Has the dog successfully impregnated bitches? What do you believe the cause(s) of this is?
                                                                                              Thanks, TiaLee

Are you talking about a slipped mating?  If so, yes my bitch got pregnant with a slipped mating, no tie!  But he does need to 'hit' the target  ;-)

Good luck

My bitch had two slip ties when mating and is about to whelp any day!  This was her first mating so i think she was a little unsure of what was happening and didnt want to be dominated by the dog so she kept pushing him out.
Hope this has been of some help!

hi, in my breed we never let the dogs tie and 18 months ago we had a litter of 9,so no they dont have to tie,good luck

Hi,
    Thanks everyone! I will wait and see...
    Does anyone know WHY some dogs do this. And, as louzola said they don't "allow" ties in their breed; how is this accomplished? Just curious!                                                                              Thanks,   TiaLee

OK, I knew I didn't know everything - how on earth do you stop a tie????   Or why would you want to????

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

I am rather intrigued how one would prevent a tie during a mating.  I have had a bitch mated and tied literaly in the blink of an eye :D

Oh i wander why you would want to avoid a tie ?
What breed could it be, come on tell us !

I am facinated by that one too
Amos

As far as I can tell they are bulldogs, correct me if I am wrong Louzola :)  Since when were bulldogs not allowed to tie??????

A `slip tie` sounds very contradictory,you can either have one or the other in my experience! I hope it is not confusing the novice or non breeders who read the thread.

yes you are right,it is bulldogs and this is only done by the very experienced stud handlers,although it looks easy it is not,they hold the dog in but stop the bulb from entering the bitch,keeping it out,all bulldog matings are done this way and it does work,hope you all understand a little more now,
louzola

Why not allow a tie?

But why?  A tie is much more satisfactory as the vaccuum it causes helps with the semen getting up the very long reproductive tract of the bitch.

So the dog actually does tie but outside the bitch, or an outsdie tie as I ahve heard it described.  I have known some people not allow the dog to turn after tieing, having him stand beside the bitch ratehr than back to back, but can't understand why the tie would be prevented???

I could answer that but will not :D

Witnessed a few Bulldog matings.

oh please do answer mollymoo,it will be interesting to see how much know about bulldogs,after all you do have one dont you! how come you have witnessed these matings? why would you want to be there when you say they arnt healthy dogs and you only like your own type? im getting  fed up of seeing your smarmy comments,have you nothing else to do!

Please tell us why a tie is not wanted.
Amos

louzola please tell all why you prevent ties ? :)

Louzola tell us, please. We're all very curious.

:D Oh Lozola stop being so childish and answer the question?

One of my friends shows Bulldogs, however I dont own one and wouldnt want to!!!!!!

I know what goes on at these matings and In My Opinion if any dog is bred in that way, it shouldnt be allowed to carry on..

Its not me that should answer the question :D Its not my breed that has a cloud of mystery surrounding what goes on at matings :D

Any breed that needs a persons help to prevent a tie as you claim (this is not always the case.....) needs to take one serious look at the breed without their rose tinted specs on.

Oh and Louzola if can be bothered to read through my posts you will see its Bullmastiffs that I own ;)

what do you mean you know what goes on at matings,suggesting what? we dont let them tie because they are so hefty and if they need to be parted it can be done quickly and safely,they can become overheated so we dont allow it,this is the answer you have all been waiting for so here it is,is this what you know mollymoo? if you know any different let us know. we eagerly await your reply.
louzola

Yes so over heated they might drop down dead during the tie of heart failure, I know many a hefty breed, my own included and allow full ties to take place, says it all really :rolleyes:

Need I comment futher on these barbaric mating practices?  I think not :( Poor dogs.

but they dont drop down dead! they do swell up inside the bitch and we have to wait for him to go down and we do turn them side by side too,you dont need a tie for them to concieve at all and its not barbaric,if you owned a bulldog you may well see why we love the breed so much,im sure all dogs have health probs from time to time but you dont hear me criticising them,i knew of a bullmastif that turned very nasty to a child but havnt said anything against your breed have i! leave mine alone and no you dont need to say more on this as you just chat rubbish,
oh and i cant believe any bulldog show person that would want you as their friend with your snide comments.please dont pity my dogs as they are wonderful animals,its just ignorant people like you that spoil it for others and the stud dogs i use and my bitch have health certificates so how come they are unhealthy!

I also know of a Bulldog that savaged a child to such an extent the child needed surgery   My advice to the person was to have the dog pts......But so may breeders defended why the dog should live!!!!

Snidey me?!.........LOL

Take a deep breath and read back your own comments!!!

Oh and as for being ingnorant, you want to take a few steps back and have a good look at yourself.

now whos getting defensive,its not nice is it so dont dish out what you cant take back,im finished with this as its getting out of hand and will never end. i suppose we are all snidey when it comes to our dogs,im sure im not alone but you have done nothing but bring bulldogs down on here,would you like it,i suppose not and you dont even know that much about them.

I know enough, and thats all I need to know ;)

I actually find your posts amusing to such an extent I laugh at them :D enough said..........LOL

glad you find it amusing mollymoo and im glad i make you happy,you must enjoy making others sad and bringing people down,

As stated enough said :rolleyes:

The proof on actually how unhealthy this breed is has been stated within the thread if you read between the lines, so why drag it out futher?

Theres no need to as enough has been said already - all you are doing is helping to make people realise this or havent you noticed?

you see,you just dont give up do you, they are not unhealthy,you dont know a lot about them to be able to say that and no i havnt helped people realise they are unhealthy as ive had support from a few of them about this,i truly think you are not on here to give help and advice but just to wind people up and yes you did do this but all i did originally was to reply about slip matings and you rear your ugly head on every comment i make about bulldogs,remember them who laugh first never laugh last!

*Yawns*

Its getting boring now.....lol

You think of me what you wish - because you know I really dont care :D

End of, and my last post on this subject.

But a tie isn't stressful .. ... one of my bitches actually fell asleep during one of her ties - the dog was nearly as relaxed as well! All it involves is standing still with all four feet on the ground - I'm not sure why that's so dangerous. Louzola, I'm genuinely very confused here - why would a tie be so dangerous?

jeangenie,it isnt so much dangerous its just we prevent it from happening,its not like mating two little dogs,they are heavy and it takes 3 people to handle them at stud,it doesnt look any different to mating any other dog,they are relaxed and happy and we tend to mate them in cool surroundings,what is so wrong with that. i guess they could tie as ive known some that have but its preferred they dont for these very reasons,ive nothing to hide and they run and play like all dogs,i cannot help the way stud owners prefer to use their stud dogs.

I don't know anything about mating little dogs; I'm used to dalmatian matings (usually 2 handlers), and male dals are often heavier (they're certainly a lot taller) than bulldogs.

I just can't understand why a tie would be a disadvantage. Probably me being dense. :o

Nor can I J.  In my breed it is normal to inroduce dog and bictch for some free play and when the pair look like they are coming to the point of mating it is usually only the bitch that is steadied, prevented from sitting or pulling the dog.  Most males don't even need help turning, and it is quite normal to only have one handler, as amny males aren't keen on being interfered with.  There is a purpose to the tie and I cannot understand why anyone would wish to prevent it.  The dog can either be turned or just have the front lifted off the bitch to stand by ehr side if weight on the bitches back is the problem, which is exactly why the males of the canine species do this.

I know that with some little toy breeds where the dog is often smaller than the bitch that they often need to be held together as there isn't enough of him to form a tie, and slip matings are common.

I do feel it is a little sad that there are brteeds where the dog and bitch cannot manage their own reproductive processes.

Hi Louzola, hi i am a INT show judge of the BRITISH BULLDOGS and i have to agree all our matings are done without a tie and in 33 yrs i have been very succsessful in this breed being a Crufts winner many of times, with the dogs i bred (untied), i have to say , we handle our matings with as much care as any one else in any other breed.I must also say there is only one PROPER Bulldog and that is British , any other affix before the Bulldog is not a proper breed, other than the French/British.Also our British Bulldogs are as healthy as any other breed, after all nothing is perfect in this world, i had to say my point please dont reply as its a one of i came on here, i must go and do a untied mating at this point. By take care , Louzola you have made many a good point.Keep the work up.

oh thankyou whoever you are,its nice to have someone who thinks im right,
have a nice day judge
louzola

Hmmm just joined I wonder who that could be, the cynical B***** I am :rolleyes:.......LOL

please take that comment back as i do not know who this person is,i dont know who looks on here and dont need help in defending my breed,i think i do a good enough job myself.

      I've just joined too     

Well, admittedly just joined this thread anyway :P

My mind was in overdrive about the possible info we might get on these particular matings - I'm clearly warped :D :D :D

Teri,
Thoroughly disappointed and who's leaving (this thread) in shame :(

its left me a little sad too teri,but i think ive made someone happy on here!

Well I still dont understand why a tie is not done in bulldogs but I do think they are lovely!
Amos

hi amos,sooo glad theres someone who likes them
cheers,
louzola

HI lOUZOLA
i love your breed and agree there are some healthy ones out there but after reading about not letting them tie has made me think that they must be more unhealthy than most ppl thought.  there are a lot of breeds where the males are much bigger than then females and they are left to have a tie.

thankyou for your comment staffielover,but they also dont tie as some bitches will not accept a mating and as they are a very powerfull dog it is much easier to part them than to try and wrestle with them,thus saving a lot of aggro and damaging the stud or bitch,they do have normal 10/20 minute matings and we still have to wait for the dog to go down before he can be released,so not much different at all to any other dog matings,looks just the same and i dont know why there is such a big debate on here,they are wonderfull dogs and most of the time the unhealthy ones are being bred by idiots just wanting to cash in,this is such a shame,most bulldog puppies sold last year didnt even have an affix to their name and they are the ones asking 2000 pounds each puppy,i hope the prices come down as i think the bubble is about to burst,this may stop the backyard breeders once and for all,its a pity bulldogs arnt the same price as other puppies,this would make me happy.
cheers
louzola

I am a little confused by the way I love bulldogs and if the purse and room allowed it I would have one as a companion......are you saying it is because they are too heavy to allow them to tie or that they can become aggresive when tied because of too much human interference.Some breeds just do not like being helped do they? I own both `little and large` and they both are allowed a natural tie although there has been ocassions with both breeds when they have tied `out side` as I call it with puppies resulting each time.I find it very interesting to learn about other breeds and their `peculiarites` which all breeds have, adding to their individual charm.

My gran used to breed bulldogs - must be over 30yrs ago now - but I asked her about this & she would not let the dogs have a 'proper tie' as the bitch often got nasty & tried to fight with the dog (thats where my staffie gets it from then!).

As the are big strong dogs trying to hold them together in a tie would result in a lot of stress & could lead to an heart attack or stroke.

This is just what she told me - I dont know anything about it!

Jo

A friend of mine used a breeder of bulldogs in the north east for his bulldog bitch, they wouldn't allow a tie either, they charged a £1000 stud fee for one mating with no tie & no free mating if the bitch missed!
The bitch didn't take & he went back for another go a year later with same stud fee & same result no puppies! Now if i had known him at the time i would have told him not to waste his time or money with such a breeder who is quite literally out to rob people.
Personally i have never ever had a litter from a slip mating in all our years & i certainly wouldn't charge a stud fee for a slip mating, i'd have them sign a contract to say the stud fee will be paid if the bitch is found to be pregnant.

1000 pounds for a stud fee ! wow,its only 500 to 600 for using the top kennels stud dogs and they are top champions,wonder who these people are,and you should get at least two matings at that.if your friend would like to mate again please pm me as i know of some very good kennels that would be willing to help.

i was just reading this thread of messsages which seemed to of jumped on to the bulldog and as a friend of mine is thinking of getting a bull dog i was wondering if this problem they have with mating is why they cost so much to buy my friend has been quoted from £15000 to £2000 for a pup and do they all have breathing problems or is is just some lines that are worse than others my friend was told to get a victorian bulldog or an old english bull dog because these can give birth normally and dont have the breathing problem and live a lot longer and have the same look as the bulldog is this true

Where does your friend live?
There are bulldog shows all over the country so you could
pop along to one and see what you think
before commiting yourselves.

My bulldogs are fit and agile and will play all day with my rotties
granted they need a rest but they arent big dogs,they dont gasp for breathe
they are fit healthy no skin problems and all in all a wonderful breed.

If you need any info on the shows feel free to PM me.