Before i start, let me say I am not opening a debate and I am pro docking:)  What i would like to know please, is to whom does one report suspicions that someone is illegaly docking their own pups? Once again.....not a debate....i am totally in favour of docking & we did our own for years ;) however i think i have found the achilles heel of someone who, until now, I have not been able to get stopped for their dreadful puppy farming. I am hoping that this route will achieve the goal, albeit rather sneaky :)

I know you're pro docking but the means may justify the end if you emails these people.... ;)

http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_13.htm

  I'm sure they'd know which authorities to contact etc & the site might give you an answer :)

Don't they have to have vets certs for each puppy. A friend who breeds Boxers had the RSPCA on her doorstep the day after she had her litter done, by a vet, so someone must have known  & reported her

Although my working pups were docked, the vet who we were personally recommended to told me of how he often refuses to dock non-working pups.  He says it is a really difficult decision because when he eventually gets to see a pup he has refused to dock, they are often docked anyway but badly.

He also said there is very little that can be done because nobody really wants to know.  It would be interesting to know when the last prosecution took place.

Docked pups do not have a vets certificate.

Thats funny as my friend always gets proof they have been done by a vet & the RSPCA asked to see proof as she refused(quite rightly IMHO)to let him in & she sent him a copy of the docs

I had my puppies docked two weeks ago by a vet who I came upon originally by registering with the council for docked breeds. He did not provide me with a certificate as he said it was not necessary. Incidentally, there are no vets within a twenty five mile radius of my home who will dock puppies. My own vet asked me lots of questions about why I had the pups docked and didn't leave the tails entact. I felt quite guilty and explained that I have been advised by several breeders ( of Schnauzers) that one of the valid reasons for docking is if the tails were not docked it would be very difficult to home them. My own vet says that this is not true and she has lots of enquiries fom people looking for pups WITH tails , so it perpetuates a viscious circle. I do know that it doesn't sem to hurt the pups as they didn't flinch at any stage of the docking/tail dropping off. She said it was tantamount to mutilation and I couldn't argue with her....
Farmers dock tails on their sheep so will this be outlawed also if the ban comes in? I am not trying to get involved in any arguments ,merely interested in both the reasons for and against it. Incidentally, a couple who had a pup from my first litter pre-requested before the pups were born that I leave their dog with his tail attached whichI duly did. I often see him out when I am walking and I have to admit that it looks a little unusual.l did use to own a boxer with a tail but it seemed quite normal as I was used to it. I am sure that there will be lots of strong opinions from CD members on the subject and I am not (to reiterate) looking to argue about this subject,either way,merely interested in other peoples valuable opinions. Do you have experience of homing pups with tails(from a usually docked breed)? I would be interested to know this for the future. Thank You 

In my breed there are many breeders who do not dock, and there are no problems homing puppies either docked or undocked (but I have a breed where demand outstrips supply). I would guess that in ANY breed usually docked there would also be a demand for undocked. The docking ban will NOT include farm animals (which do not require the services of a vet). Your vet is out of order questioning you over the docking of your puppies - the CDB will contact him/her if you notify them. It is yet another example of the average vet overstepping the remits of the job he/she is supposed to be doing, as it is not a vets job to query what is (at present) a legal procedure. 

I use a CDB recommended vet (my own vet doesnt dock but is 'sympathetic'. No certificate is issued to me but if I were to get hassle, the vet has instructed me to contact the CDB for advice. Thank God I wouldnt come under the wing of the RSPCA up here - I'm not aware of the SSPCA using the bullying tactics that the RSPCA use..

thanks for that spook ;)

I meant to type 'the end may justify the means'....'sigh'

Spot she who has just finished bathing/grooming dogs and is exhausted!

I think whether you get a certificate or not depends on the vet - some do, some dont. The vet I used previously didnt give a certificate, but when I moved to a new area the vet recommended by CDB did give a certificate for each puppy.

If they use a vet they would have a vets bill wouldn't they ?

My vet charged such a small amount that I gave a donation to a local rescue as I was embarassed.  Of course, they would have been able to provide confirmation that the tails had been correctly done had new owners requested.

I hope you manage to get the puppy farmer closed down, Sam.

Lindsay
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My friend got a boxer at the same time as I got Abby the breeder said she didnt want to pay vet bills so did the tails herself as she had been doing it for years and my friend still went ahead and bought the puppy which I couldnt as if they are going to skimp on this what else will they try and avoid paying.
Mary

My OH's friend had an accidental litter and the breeder of his dogs (from a VERY well known kennel who is constantly in the dog press - but I shant mention names ;) ) said they should be docked in order to find them homes, instead of using a vet one of the staff from the kennels did the pups - within days all of their tails were infected and the vet had to be called   some very embarrassing questions occurred im sure ( :o ) im not sure what happened after that but I know the vet reported them to someone.

Having been the subject of an RSPCA visit re tail docked pups,   I can say from personal experience it is for the RSPCA to prove they were  docked illegally, not for you to prove they were done legally.  The vet who does mine (Through CDB) does not give certificates and the receipt does not state what service was provided.. Accordong to the CDB the RSPCA almost exclusivley target homes with either a single female in residence on these issues, or time it so an men in the house have left, and only a female is in the house before approaching, in my case ina very aggressive way.  However, one of the RSPCA ploys is to try to bully the breeder into saying which vet did the tails (which you are under no obligation to do) and they then harrass the vet and report them to the Royal College.

However as the poster seems to want to report this kennel for a good reason for dog welfare perhaps contacting the RSPCA might work, depen ds if they thought it was a kennel they could intimidate to get the info out fo them.
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Gwen

If somebody reported you for having tails docked, after you used a vet, would the vet own up to doing it?  isn't it frowned upon even if the vet was prepared to do it, by other vets etc.   I often wondered  if the vet in question would hold his hands up and admit he actually docked them!

Not that I'm worried, I no longer dock my pups :-)

Have to say that we had the RSPCA around a couple of years ago and a litter of docked SWD's were in our living room.  The RSPCA weren't bothered at all and just said what wonderful healthy pups they were.  Unfortunately it seemed that someone, who we can't prove but we are 99% certain wanted to get the RSPCA out to SWD owners, it's a shame that they have nothing better to do in their lives as a number of us had them in a space of 3 weeks !!

If you feel that there is cruelty to the animals, call the RSPCA and so these puppies and the dogs can be taken away from them and rehomed with people that care.

Sarah, i do not feel there is any cruelty either in the docked pups(i am in favour of docking :) ) or neccessarily in the dogs I am investigating....however the ethics of what appear to be going on at this kennel (or should I say factory :( )are, to put it bluntly, AWFUL & if I can use suspect docking to get him closed down then I will do so.