where can i find a breeder of rare white dobermans please?

If you do a [search] on this site (top right corner of the screen) and type "white dobermanns" as the keywords you'll find many threads about them and the health problems they suffer from.

Guest, they are *albino* dobermanns, a genetic anomaly, which some "breeders/puppy farmers" consistently sell to gullible people as a *rare* breed. There are only 4 recognised colours - black, brown, blue and fawn(isabella) all with rust red markings. "White" dobes are not just another colour and people who purchase these dogs line the pockets of unscrupulous dealers and buy themselves into a lot of heartache and veterinary bills.
HTH
Angela

For this very reason any dobe in the USA or UK witrh the mutant line in the pedigree has a special code against it's registration so that breeders can avoid contaminating the Doberman gene pool any more than the people promoting this unhealthy mutation have already done so.

There is no such thing as a rare white Dobermann they are a genetic mutation which has been deliberately bred in (by originally mating son to mother and sister and those offspring back to each other) by a few people with $/£ signs in their eyes and no care for their dogs.

The so called white is actually albinism - there are many types of albinism and all are a health defect (with apologies to any albinos reading this but it is fact).

They are more prone to cancers due to the lack of melanin in their skin that protects them from the sun.  Also due to the lack of melanin they can have eye problems resulting in poor vision which can lead to agression.  Some albinos also have behavioural problems/learning difficulties, again due to lack of melanin

Dobermanns come in black, brown, blue and fawn (isabella).  Responsible breeders aim only to breed blacks and browns due to the coat problems of the blues and fawns.

Anyone who breeds or buys "albino" dobermanns is, in my opinion extremely selfish and does not have the good of the breed at heart.

Wow, ive never looked at them as mutants before lol.

Sorry, i couldnt help it :D

Spontaneous mutation is how many good and bad characteristics first appear.  Albinism is quite a common one, hence Albino deer, lions, girages etc, but it is largely self limiting in the wild as it isn't a good design.

Being partially sighted since birth and attending a special school for partially sighted children in London I can confrm that aalbinism is not a nutral conditon.

There were a number of Albino's that I went to school with.  there were a brother and two sisters from one family, and they had just one brother who wasn't an albino. 

There were also about 3 other albino boys and girls from European background, an an albino boy and girl (unrelated) that wwere West Indian. 

The white girls with naturally curly hair and the West Indian Aalbino children all had straw coloure hair, but those with straight hair the hari was white.  Only one of the kids had an Albino parent.

All of them had poor eyesight due to the condition, which is why they were at the school.

They used to ahve a lot of trouble with their sklins being very sensitive to sunlight and environemntal factors.  They would have a much higher risk of Skin Cancer.

never heard of one I looked on net and found some sites.the one I found was showing the ones that are in rescue in America.How sad that they have so many health issues and the foster parents even had to put special dog sunglasses on some of them just so they could go out in the daylight.

The Dobenar kennel is the only one i know that breeds white dobes, but please do take note of all the health problems they have, you would be much better off with a recognised colour.

Sadly the white dobermans are a very touchy topic, and I am sure much debate can be had. I would suggest anyone who is interested in a White speak to a breeder who knows alot about the whit egene and has alot of reliable research.

It was determined from  testing that the "White" gene which produces this color is a masking gene. In other  words, it "takes over" and masks the color that the dog would be otherwise.  (Incidentally, this is the same gene which produced the famous white tigers and  lions owned by Siegfriend & Roy in Las Vegas). There is no evidence however,  that this gene carries with it any deleterious or adverse health concerns that  are sometimes associated with all white animals such as deafness, blindness, or  unstable minds.
I am sure many claim that white dobermans have health problems, but after meeting a "White" which I am sorry to say appears more cream in colour, with blue eyes, can sit in the sunlight for hours and is NOT sun sentative. Has never had any health problems and was 8 years old to date.
See this link
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doberman.htm
http://www.geocities.com/dpaa_03/
This should give you enough information to help you out with the colour issue with regards to the "whites"
Contacting Denise at Dobenar she will better enable you to understand as well as happily introduce you to a lovely "cream" doberman or two.

But again the is IMO

Please dont get one of these dogs people who breed them dont have the breeds best interest at heart and are only interested in profit. If you do a search on white dobes you will get lots of info.
Mary

If not a regornised colour in the breed standard, how comes they were shown? 

Hi Rox,

I'm not sure they've been shown anywhere but *if* they are able to be KC registered in their country of origin then technically I don't see that it can be prevented but they'd not win in the UK and I'd imagine be disqualified in other countries.
In my own breed, BSD, all varieties are shown separately but cross registration allowed for pups born of a different coat colour to their parents.  That is due to stop in 2010 however such pups will certainly still be born!  Hence we will quite legitimately have "black" Tervuerens and "red or grey" Groenendaels.  These aren't acceptable colours in the breed standard of either variety BUT they will still be pure bred BSDs :rolleyes:  I hope our KC has a change of heart before 2010 and leaves cross-registration open but if they don't it will be interesting to see how long it is before we have two red or two black BSDs in the Group ring at a Champ show representing two separate varieties :D

This is a different scenario to white Dobes as, has been explained far more eloquently than me, that is not just a non-standard colour but the result of a mutant rather than recessive gene.

regards, Teri :) 

Is there any correlation between white dobermans (dobermen?;) ) and the "lethal white" Australian shepherd?

I know that the white aussie is a result of extreme merle/merle breeding - but just wondered, as the tri-colouring in Aussies is not dissimilar to that of the dobe....

Margot (who hasn't even had her coffee so apologies if this question is absolutely stupid!)

Rox.
There was one showed here for the owner to prove a point, nothing more.  The dog was not given anything (unless it was last in its class, cant remember)  you can read the judges report somewhere too.  Dont for get you can take a white Boxer, long coated Shepherd etc.. in the ring if you want to look a nelly, but it puts you in a bit of a silly light, it shows you havent read the breed standard of the dogs you are exhibiting.
Dawn.

Hi Dawn

In one instance there were four in the class and he came fourth - it is against KC rules to withhold just the fourth place so the judge had no choice.  At the second show I believe there were more in the class and he was unplaced.

They are KC registered and therefore qualify to be shown - I "think" it is only cropped registered dogs that cannot be shown in all other instances it is up to the judge to judge the dogs against the breed standard.
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Hi Margot

"White" Dobermanns are albinos - tyrosinase-positive albinos to be precise - this has nothing to do with the merle gene as far as I am aware

Strictly speaking Kerioak, I don't think that's correct. If a  judge witholds a 3rd place, they can't then award any subsequent awards. Any dog can have a placing withheld if the judge doesn't think they have sufficient merit.

Hi Anwen

In this particular case the first three had merit, the fourth did not but had to be awarded anyway under KC rules I think - it was this particular judge's first appointment. 

First and second can be withheld and a dog placed third but if third is withheld as well there would be no placings in that class

The KC rules allow for the reserve to be withheld under F(1)3.56.n So in fact the judge could & obviously should have withheld the placings

This also happened when a white longcoat was the only GSD in one class at a show & was placed 1st :( luckily there were other GSDs at the show otherwise even though it should have had the place withheld it would have been declared BOB !

I once got second in a big GSD class(25 at an open show), in the next class there was my dog & several others from the previous class & the judge withheld the 1st & gave her second as she had only been 2nd in her first class ! this was infact the wrong decision as eventually the winner of her first class was BOb & she was given Res BOB over several other class winners Now where's the logic in that !!!!

Thanks Christine, I thought it was something like that!
Dawn.

About as logical as giving a dog 2nd out of 1 (ie withholding 1st). I can understand withholding 1st-3rd from the sam dog but if there is only 1 in the class I can't see the point of giving it 2nd

He was a CC judge as well ! & the steward & Secretary said he was right too ! when obviously it wasn't otherwise why did he place dogs in the other classes & then give my bitch Res BOB  totally barmy !

why would anyone in there right mind want to breed dogs that seem to have so many problems, i came across them a couple of years ago and have looked at a lot of sites and have yet to hear of a healthy one, these dogs imo should not be sold it makes me very angry that people think oh thats diffrent i want one of them your just lining bad breeders pockets