Hi all.

I am really worried about my bitch. She has recently came out of season, when I got her she was a very very nervous and weary dog - but over the past few weeks she's really come out of her shell.

I am just SO worried in case my Dog has got to her - as she's only 1 in April!!!!!

I was very careful - an kept my eyes peeled an seperated as mych as poss whilst in season.

Tho I'm told not to be surprised if she is pregnant!

She's still eating etc...

but yesterday morning she had a brown type colour discharge from her behind???

Her nipples are brown - but is this not how they're meant to be?? She seems to be putting lots of weight on - but not JUST around her stomach ! Her whole body - as she still has that sort of inward arch in her stance underneath - her stomach hasn't dropped as they do when pregnant - but I'm really worried...help!

Seperated as much as possible??? They should have been completely seperated at ALL times Lee.

We all went through this with you when she has her first season at 6 months old.  Everybody spent a lot of time explaining to you great detail about keeping them apart.  Haven't you made suitable arrangements in 6 months to be SURE that your dog hasn't mated her?????????????????????? :(

Oh God! Of course I have - I'm on here for help - not a  lecture!

I only live in a small house - I have had my yard divided so the dog is contained etc etc etc ..... when we brought them together whilst walking etc - the bitch wouldn't let him near her anyway!

But other people are in my house while I'm at work wtc - so I cannot GUARANTEE 100% that they were together.

I don't think they were - it may just be paranoia !

Just her behaviour has changed so much - although a breeder I know has informed me that her settling in period - what I done with her how I treated her etc will have been adequate to bring her out of her shell....

She doesn't LOOK pregnant - I'm just asking people who actually may have an idea what to look for?

Take her to your Vet!!!

Please moderate your language. Children come onto this board!

Look at the word carefully - an adult would have a hard time pronouncing that - let alone explaining what it means so do me a favour....

Dont be silly. Any child knows what you just wrote and it is against the terms of service.

Well then I apologise.

;-)

How recent is recently out of season??  Get her to the vet ASAP  for the morning after injection, she is way too young for a litter!

You say quote: I was very careful - an kept my eyes peeled an seperated as mych as poss whilst in season................if you have an entire dog in the house they must be kept apart at ALL TIMES!

The discharge could be normal if she's only just finished her season, but it could be a problem if she is pregnant, like I said get her to the vet or you could end up with serious problems.

As I said I don't think she is pregnant - I just wanted advice - so this discharge - is it normal for after-season?

It's only been once like no more.

She's been out of seaon 2 or 3 weeks - never really crossed my mind about being pregnant until this dischrge.

People on here must have given you hours of their time Lee if you look at your past posts.  Go to your Vet.  If you have to pay good money, then maybe you'll listen to him!

I know - if I pay good money then surely I'll be able to buy some supernatural power that'll enable me to have control over them every second of every day - even when I'm in work - or working away - to get the money to live an FEED my dogs.....Ye

Remember this post???

  Jeangenie 06.10.04 09:59 GMT  [Misc]  

Bitches have produced litters from early-in-season matings (within the first week of season) so as others have said, get your dog out of the house NOW! Either boarding kennels or send him to stay with a trusted friend or relative, before his life (and yours, and that of all your neighbours) becomes hell! 


and this   Akita_Lee 13.10.04 10:17 GMT  [Misc]  

Hey people, been away for a while! I have made plans to section off my garden and be PREPARED for the next season!    AND

  Akita_Lee 13.10.04 12:45 GMT  [Misc]  

No I'm on here to learn 

You explained that you lived in a small house with few facilities and everyone advised that you needed to get the dog or bitch away when she was in season!!  You obviously haven't listened and are just making more excuses for when your poor bitch becomes pregnant!!!

Has it ever occured to you that 21 year olds with their own hous ean mortgage etc . .. can't AFFORD to send their dogs into boarding kennels??

An I'm sorry but I don't know anybody who's willing to mind my dog for me...

PLEASE FOLKS - before you waste anymore time on this, do a search and read the previous threads by this poster - including the one about the temperaments of these dogs! 

  Jeangenie 13.10.04 13:36 GMT  [Misc]  

Akita_Lee, we are doing our best to understand what you're telling us! I genuinely can't understand the circumstances when your dog bit another dog's throat. 

I'm disappointed that they're not neutered already! :(

If you cant afford boarding kennels, you certainly cant afford to breed a litter.

Then you should not be owning an entire dog an bitch if you cannot be 100% sure of keeping them apart.

Many many people for this very reason choose to won one or other sex.  I keep only bitches, as my house layout would not allow for seperate Grden access, even if I trusted my kids enough to keep dogs where they were supposed to be.

Surely you considered this problem before geting one of each sex????  Why didn't you get your bitch spayed arfter her last season???

So who looks after your dogs whilst you are working away?????

Im am 21, in the same breed as yourself, have my own property, 5 beautiful akita's, and to date not ONE accidental mating!!!!!!! Pls dont try and get out of this by using your age and a morgage.

Well u must earn 20k plus if u can afford to just dish your dogs out to boarding kennels every time one comes into season....

I know what you're saying - just all I was saying is that I couldn't afford to send to boarding kennels - an as for accidental mating - neither have I....

I dont send mine to boarding kennels either. I have secure kennels for each of my dogs to be housed in for occasions like these. They are not expensive, for 5 kennels with runs we can build them for around about 1500 to 2000. Its a bit of money to pay out BUT saves on boarding fee's and any accidents that may occur.

I hope all is okay with your girl, I wish you much luck x

Why don't you check with the people you live with and confirm if they have had the opportunity to mate or not? If they've not done it while you were present and were seperated when no-one was in, it could only have happened whilst someone else was looking after them.......so ask them!

i think post season paranoia is quite common! even if youve been 100% careful.

Why doesnt this thread surprise me? The phrases "banging heads" and "brick walls" come to mind :(

It could be pyometra - I'd take her to the vet and get her checked out.

pYOMETRA?

this is puss in the womb & LIFE threatening,so id take her to the vet,asap! today! now!

An infection of the uterus that can develop post season - can be fatal. have you read the 'book of the bitch' it's full of valuable advice.

I instantly thought PYO too!!!!!Get to the vets before it could be too late!!!!!!!!!!Hi Val.Gail :) :) :)

Akita Lee....
do I have this right please?
You have a nervous bitch and an aggressive male and they MAY have mated ? PLEASE for the sake of the breed get the bitch to the vets NOW and get her injected to abort any POSSIBLE puppies she may be carrying.Also  PLEASE get your male castrated or your bitch speyed or preferably both ...that way htere can be no accidents in the future.
PLEASE PLEASE listen ....do NOT let your bitch have pups....they are not a breed for the faint hearted in the first place and a litter bred from parents with poor temperaments will be a disaster.
I am not having a go....just asking you to do the right thing
You may only be young with a lot of financial burdens BUT you chose to take these dogs on ....you need to do what is right REGARDLESS of cost.
Archer

After reading some of your posts Akita Lee, and seeing the way you responded to some Akita breeders and their advice i would have thought this was going to happen from then on.

Your best bet would be to have the pair of them neutered, whether she has been mated or not. If she has the vet can do something about it. You were given ample warning before, now its time to bite the bullet, put your hand in your pocket and for once, do right by your dogs!

This is a specialist breed, that needs much more care, attention and training than many other breeds. The two Akitas you have are not suitable for breeding, never will be with regards to temperament, so get them nutered ASAP. You cannot risk this again!!!!

I agree with Archer and The Dark. It really does not sound like your Akitas' are compatible. I too own a large breed (of which I have 26 years experience despite being only 31!!!). Briards are NOT for the faint hearted, nor are they for the novice! Get it wrong, and you will be in way over head!!! I am NOT a breeder and never plan to be, but if your dogs show ANY agression (albeit food or otherwise) then I would urge you to NOT breed from these dogs! I have 2 children aged 3 and 5, and if they were ever injured by my dog/any dog, then I would not hesitate in having it PTS!!!!!

The thing is, i know one of the people who warned him last time very well. She told me about his "dog on alert" thread back then and i watched with  interest.
As with most breeds, people buy these "japanese fighting dogs" thinking they are going to make a profit by putting any two together and making babies. All that happens is people get hurt, dogs get PTS and everyone loses while someone cashes in through selling dogs that are of very poor health, temperament and appearance. I've seen some that look like GSD! and while this breed is very handsome in its own right, you dont pay for Akita and get GSD do you?

Its discusting!

I only hope Akita Lee doesnt get hurt, that he sees sense and gets them both nutered and tries to see more than money when he looks at his dogs.

I have seen what happens when people are as ignorant as this. I have watched people suffer both facial deformity and the pain of parting with a much loved family member through this ignorance.

Akita Lee, i have three words for you. HAVE A WORD!

(climbs off soap box)

Just to add,
Once again i have worded a post very badly!
Here is my correction before im pulled up for it ;)

ALL dogs need care, attention and training, regardless of breed. Training is needed for socialisation and in order to teach a dog how to behave in public, in the home and when visiting other dogs, people etc etc. Love is a very powerful training tool and you really need a lot of it for some breeds ;)

Akitas, however, need much more intensive training from day one. They are stubbourn, need a lot of patience and even after a year the training should still be in progress. They can be very dog aggressive, very protective over their posessions (this includes their human family) and require a firm, patient and loving hand in order for them to mature into perfect family members.

Sorry if my miswording of the above was taken the wrong way, im really not very good at explaining myself in text lol]

Just re-read Akita Lees old posts, not going to comment, as he obviously never listens anyway. I am curious though, I know nothing about Akitas, but know the breed split, and he has one of each which he intends to breed. Wouldn't this make them cross breeds? Have they been split by the KC yet?

The breed "split" comes into force on 1.1.06. To be registered as a Japanese Akita Inu, a dog has to fulfil certain quite strict criteria, such as having 3 generations registered as JAI in Japan or FCI. So unless Akita-Lee could re-register her bitch as an Akita Inu, any pups would be pure-bred Akitas (although they may or may not be very good examples of the breed!)

The thing is, if his two "akitas" were to breed he would get very poor quality Akitas.
The reason is this:
The Jap Type has a lighter frame, is not as tall and doesnt have many characteristics the same as the American type. To me the only similarity is the ear set and tail.
Now you cannot tell which characteristics will come through with such a mating and from what i have seen of these circumstances the dogs look like GSD with a curled tail. They tend to take the light frame, have long legs, have these big heads that look rediculous and their ears are like radar dishes!
The Jap type tends to be a little more aloof than the Am type, even more stubbourn and more of a handful. To add this to the AM type just causes problems.
Personally i think the split should have come years ago, they are two beautiful breeds in their own rights.

Before Akita Lee kicks off with his questions here are some answers!
Yes they came from the same breed years ago. And, As most spaniels came from one breed, the herding breeds came from one breed and so on, they are nothing alike today in appearance. They are two different breeds with different characteristics and personalities.
To have pups born from such a combination would result in yet more awful looking Akitas, not true to the standard in ANY way, probably with temperament problems in your case since you have two Akitas with temperament problems. You would only undo years of good work to allow this to happen.

Just a thought, your vet would probably allow you to pay him monthly for the removal of your dogs' repoductive organs.
make an appointment eh?

Oh - I sent u that PM BEFORE I read yoyr last comment...

Take every word back - you're just another one of them I described to you.....absolute useless pile of tosh....

how is your bitch today? did you take her to the vets to check fpor pyometra?

Hi Michelle - I have an appt for Friday Afternoon....

.. here come's the abuse...

(not necessarily from you)

Thanks for asking.....:-)

Akita Lee,

THIS IS URGENT! If your dog HAS Pyometra, by Friday Afternoon, she will probably be dead. Ring your vets NOW and tell them what you think may be the problem and insist on seeing a vet this afternoon!

What are the Symptoms of this disease?

Hi what are the symptoms loosing a nasty discharge red/mucky brown just do as others say get your girl to the vets, at the most its going to cost you for a consultation and then medication,if it is not dealt with you may stand to loose your much loved pet, if she was mine she would of already of been seen by my vet i tend to get them there then think about the cost but that is just my OP

Yes of course!

Nothing to do with money - I've always got money for my dogs - my dogs are a major major part of my life practically family really and this is why I get SO upset and wound up on here - I have myself to blame as I've really painted the wrong picture to everybody about myself & my dogs....own fault :-(

I'll get her the vet....

good! cos youve got quite a few of us worried about her now!!!!! being a woman myself i can imagine what having your womb fill up with pus must be like. very very bad!
please go today,

i really would try to go today, as it could be a emergancy. ring up & say you suspect pyomtera & they will see you straight away

Hi,

It does sound as if your girl may have an infection and she could have a pyometra. It is really urgent that you get her to the vets for some treatment as it can be fatal.
Were you planning to breed from your girl in the future??  If not then you would probably be better to get her spayed straight away and if she is pregnant then the vet will be able to perform an abortion at the same time. It isn't that expensive and I'm sure if you explained the situation to your vet he would probably give you some time to pay.
I wish you luck and hope your baby girl is ok.

Debbie

Cheers Deb, I think she is ok but I'm definitely going to the Vets with her!!!!

I'm also going to go out and buy the 'Book Of The Bitch' too - do u think WH Smith will have it - as I can get it on my break...

Hi,

Trouble is with pyo's the dog seems fine apart from a discharge etc but can go down hill very quickly (within hours). It is a horrible infection and can poison her from the inside out so do try and get her to the vet sooner rather then later, even if it's just to humour me. I'll be worried about her as I very nearly lost my old boxer with that condition.
Re: the book of the bitch try and order it from Amazon.co.uk if you can. I'm pretty sure you can get it on next day delivery and it saves a lot of searching !! It's a great book, a real must have.

Debbie