Callia (10 weeks)had her first puppy jab on Thursday, Thursday night she has the squits, all day Friday she had the squits, most unlike her, in the 3 weeks that I've had her she hasn't suffered from it. So I presumed that it was a reaction to the jabs :(

Phoned the vet and he said give her chicken and rice until it clears up, which I was doing anyway along with making sure she has plenty of water, I asked him how long it will go on for and he didn't know but said it was perfectly normal. :rolleyes: She is her normal lively self and her appetite hasn't changed (she's always ravenous) But as this is now day 3 and her motions are still very sloppy I am feeling very sorry for her.

She is howling with disgust when I feed the other 2 their RMBs and although she is eating the bland diet, she's clearly getting fed up with it. Of course, should this go on, it will be straight back to the vets, but in the meantime, is there anything else that I could give her to vary it a bit without upsetting her tum? :)

Have a look at the natural remedies on this page for digesive problems Tree Barks is one & the digestive supp tabs are the other

Thank you Moonmaiden :)

mashed potato is a good remedy, as is the tree barks powder. I had a dog who suffered constantly with this and even antibiotics only worked for a short time, hence i tried everything, including every food on the market!

Jo, I swear by live natural yogurt with Barney. Since I have been giving it to him he has not had the squits once! I give him 1 heaped tablespoon 3 times a day. Still have a V.... poorly ankle. Perhaps you could see your way to visit me? Would love to meet you! May be out of action for weeks!!!! Tea is ready, better go!

Julia

I agree with Julia...natural yoghurt/bio yoghurt. Someone suggested it for one of my pups and it did the trick.

If he doesnt like the yogurt,you can give probiotic capsules,which contain billions of good bacteria,you would have to feed a few tubs of yogurt to get the benfits of one capsule :)

I always recommend giving the homeopathic remedy "thuja" after vaccinations,it helps stop all of the nasty side effects some dogs get from jabs,it falls under the umbrella,vaccinosis :( Another thing you can try to soothe his tum is chamomile tea,you can brew up a cup with the tea bags,or get chamomile drops to add to the drinking water :)

And no, the squits are NOT pefectly normal after being vaccinated :(

Hi guys :)

Thanks for the good advice ;) I already give her Bio yoghurt on a daily basis and have continued to give it to her during this horrible episode.

She is still suffering with it and this is what I was afraid of :( This is the third dog that has suffered Vaccine damage and I am now kicking myself. "Devil & deep blue sea" comes to mind.

Rose, :) I have just bought some Digestive Supplement tabs as recommended to me by Moonmaiden. Where can I buy the probiotic capsules from? Or shouldn't I mix the two? I'll give the chamomile a go.

It's highly unlikely that she has picked a bug up as she was prefectly normal before the innoculations. And I know that the squits aren't normal after jabs but getting that through to my vet is another matter :(  Should I deem it necessary to take her back in, I know that the outcome will probably be antibiotics. I went down this route with my other 1 last time and of course it just makes a bad situation worse. I may take her in for a physical check up, ie, eyes, stomach examination and temperature. But she is still her normal self in every other respect thank god, but if I don't stop this now, it will of course have other consequences. :(

She is now picking at the rice & chicken and is heartily sick of it (I don't blame her) I have given hard boiled eggs as well, she just looks at me in disgust.

Julia, will pm you :)

I wouldnt give digestive enzymes to a dog that is healthy in that area to begin with.Some medications affect the "normal" workings of body systems. For example,predisone is a drug that can cause steroid overdose,which over time causes the adrenals to stop making steroid,i am not comparing digestive enzymes to predisone by any stretch of the imagination.However when digestive enzymes are introduced to the body,it only makes sense that the body needs to produce fewer digestive enzymes of it's own.In turn,the body may lose the ability to recognize the need to produce these enzymes as time goes on-just as predisone and other drugs can "confuse" the body into not producing normal amounts of a substance.Typically,when we give the body something it already produces and doesnt need more of,it stops producing it.Your pup is still so young...

That said, there are times when a dog seems to benefit from supplemental digestive enzymes."Chronic" gastrointestinal problems and pancreatic definciencies are a couple.By all means try the enzymes and see if they work,but in my experience,once a dog has been given digestive enzymes for a while,it is best to decrease the amount of enzymes slowly rather than do away with them overnight.I've seen dogs that have been unable to digest their food properly unless this weaning method was used :(

I've always managed to fix bad diarreah with probiotic capsules,you can find them in the fridge section of the health food shop,by the sounds of your poor dog,i think he needs something stronger than what the yogurt can provide.Like i said in my earlier post,you would have to feed a fair few tubs of yogurt daily to get the benefit of 1 capsule.It wont hurt to mix them with the digestive enzymes,but i dont think your dog needs help digesting his food,he needs good bacteria put back in his intestines,if he wasnt digesting his food properly than you would be able to see the undigested food come out the other end the same way it went in :)

Good luck and keep us posted :)

*but i dont think your dog needs help digesting his......if he wasnt digesting his food properly than you would be able to see the undigested food come out the other end the same way it went in*

Rose she does need help, more than can be given on here, she is not digesting her food properly because she has diaorrhea & thats why its not coming out the same as it`s going in. Digestive enzymes are not the answer right now & the probiotics haven`t worked after 4 dys.......she needs something to go with the probiotics, this is a 10wk old puppy thats had d/rear since last Thursday night.

Christine, Spain.

Christine it looks to me like she's been feeding the pup yogurt,not straight probiotics.

But if you want i'll leave this post to you to figure out,the floor is all yours :)

Doesn`t bother me one way or the other what you do Rose.

As far as I`m concerned H/P said *Thursday night she has the squits, all day Friday she had the squits, most unlike her...........*But as this is now day 3 and her motions are still very sloppy *
And today *She is still suffering with it and this is what I was afraid of  This is the third dog that has suffered Vaccine damage*
What I read above said to me a dog has had d/rear for 4 days.

And as I said to H/P if that was my 10 week old pup I`d have taken it to the vet YESTERDAY.
I would no way be on this board asking for help.

BUT, when H/P or anybody else says *Thursday night she has the squits, all day Friday she had the squits, most unlike her ....as this is now day 3 and her motions are still very sloppy And today *She is still suffering with it and this is what I was afraid of*  I will know its not really d/rear & their pups are not shitting any more than normal & I`ll leave the floor all to you & anyone else who cares to reply cos I couldn`t give a damn :)

Christine, Spain.

To both Rose and Christine,

I think BOTH of your earlier posts gave excellent advice for the symptoms as described and that both of you dealt very appropriately on how each of you - separately and as it turned out quite differently - *interpreted the information* provided by the OP.

As HP has confirmed taking Christine's advice on seeking further veterinary help today (the essential first route IMO for such a young puppy) let's hope she now investigates Rose's advice further since her vet (until we are otherwise informed by HP) has so far failed to diagnose the problem or alleviate the condition.

Regards to each of you, and let's hope Hairypooch and Callia are already enjoying some relief from your combined efforts.

Teri :)

Aww Teri ever the voice of wisdom :) .Yes i did read H/P post differently to Christine,i do agree the vets should have been the first stop,as H/P said the vet couldnt find anything wrong,hence my reccomendation of probiotics.

I didnt mean to offend you Christine,i just gave my advice,the best way i knew how,i didnt mean to step on your toes either :( To tell you the truth,i'm not sure what exactly i did to upset you??

Hi H/P if you seriously think this a vaccine reaction you need to take her to the vet asap, besides its now 4dys she`s had it. If you have problems with your own vet, find a /h/pathic one & just tell your regular vet you want a referal to them. Try leaving without food for a 12hrs & then offer her some food but please take her to a vet today. If it was my 10wk old pup & I hadn`t stopped the d/rear by 4days she would have been there before now whether or not it was due to the vaccine.

Christine, Spain.

Hi Christine,

I have just read your post and have already taken her into the vet this lunchtime. I called him this morning and told him I still wasn't happy so he suggested popping her in and he saw her after morning surgery.

He examined her stomach, ears, eyes and temperature, looked inside the mouth, every thing, according to him is fine He asked about frequency of motions, albeit she is suffering sloppy ones, she still isn't going any more frequently than she was before the vaccs. He doesn't necessarily agree with me that the vaccinations are to blame, I said to him that it seemed just a little bit co-incidental, so he said, well she's a puppy and they do suffer from tummy upsets from time to time, could it have been something she has eaten out of the garden? No way, as I'm out with her 100% of the time and think I would have noticed. So as she is still eating and drinking regularly, lively and isn't going to the toilet more often than normal (albeit I wouldn't call squity normal) and I won't administer antibiotics for a possible bacterial infection, he said the same as you, starve her and only give water and keep up with the light diet until you see an improvement!!!

I used a homeopathic vet last year, who my breeder recommended to me and she was brilliant, the only problem was, she's in Dorset and I'm in kent. She took a full history (2 hours) on the telephone and this was my salvation with Murfee. I will start by calling her and then if there are any doubts I will try and get a referal from my vet (looks like I will be changing vets again) :( he's not the most affable of people!

Hi againH/P so how many times is she going?  You said shes had them all day Friday & was still the same today??? I only said let her go 12hrs without food as shes only a pup & if shes not eating what you put down she can`t be that hungry anyway ;) :)
Glad she`s been seen tho, but with you saying she started the squits Thur. night then all day Friday & still the same today gave me the impression she had d/rear.
Have a look at the link below, they should help you find h/pathic vet near you, you could give them a ring to see if they have any updates :)
http://www.bahvs.com/vetmfhom.htm

Christine, Spain.

Well, late yesterday afternoon, she had her first "normal" motion since Thurs, good shape, colour and not mucusy, sorry to be so graphic :P

She normally goes 3 times a day, this didn't increase at all but when she did go, it was d/hrea Christine, it's just that squits is easier to spell :D She didn't go last night as she normally does but went this morning, and it was rather hard for my liking, although understandable, so I will keep up with the bland diet for today and see how she goes.

Teri, I was doubtful that the Chick & rice was doing her any good, she had cod loin this morning and has wolfed it down with gusto :) I think that she was pleased to get something different. If she stabilises, I'll introduce some mash later. She has had some electro sachets in her water, I had some left over from last yr with Murfee. I'm still waiting on the digestive enzymes to arrive and will think about it before I administer, but got OH to go into a health food shop yesterday when he was out and have got her some probiotic capsules, I've taken her off the Bio Yog that she normally has and given these.

Thanks for all the brilliant advice, but when the vet says there's nothing wrong on the phone and by visiting and I'm doubting my own sanity at times :P it's good to get your advice :) and all advice has been taken on board.

I tried to get hold of my homeopathic vet yesterday by phone and left a message, I've also given the BAHVS a ring and they are going to get back to me, re vets in this area :) Fingers crossed, I've seen an improvement, touch wood, but she still has to get the other one done next Thurs, so I will have to prepare her the best I can for it on the advice of the H/pathic vet. :) Really wish I didn't have to take her back :(

Hi HP,

Sorry about Callia continuing to have problems and more so that you're vet isn't proving to be helpful :(   It's all very well saying nothing is wrong because he hasn't found anything wrong but clearly Callia's got some sort of problem that needs to be addressed.  While you're trying to source alternative veterinary advice, can I suggest you change her off the chicken and rice diet?  Clearly it's not working anyway so can do no harm to try an alternative bland diet in the interim - she may even have started to develop an intolerance to either the protein or the rice and let's also remember that not all dogs can tolerate yoghurt either :(

Personally I would starve her for 12 hours, then give her some poached white fish - literally *NOTHING* else.  If she seems ok with that I'd give her the same again and her third meal (strictly providing it's all going well) add some mashed potato.  Do you have electrolyte sachets to add to her water or can you at least get hold of them?

Fingers crossed,
Teri :)

Jo,

Got your pm, will reply later. After Barney had constant loose motions I gave him poached white fish (coley), and those AMP blocks of minced white fish I defrosted and gave him raw. Along with the yogurt it settled his tummy quite quickly. Perhaps give it a go.

Julia

Agree entirely with the last 2 post. Feed white fish, raw or cooked and mashed potato and brown rice, not white. some dogs cannot tolerate cooked chicken, mine for one, but raw is fine, no problem. So it could just be cooked chicken. Hope she picks up soon :)
Anne

Glad to hear that things are looking better. Another thing to try, which I find works really well is carob powder, it is choclaty in flavour so gets eatne by even the fussiest dog and has a really good binding action. Should be available from a good healthfood shop sorry I dont have any in stock at present or I would have sent you some.  

Aww thanks Bluebell :) That is such a kind thought. I will definitely give it a try.

I have done a follow up on this post as it's not as good as I had hoped :(

Go to this regarding vaccinations: www.dogstuff.info/canine_vaccination_odriscoll.html
I think there is a form that you can ask the vet to complete if you feel your dog has suffered an adverse reaction to the vaccination.  Insist that it is filled in and sent off.  Too often owners are fobbed off with excuses that the vaccine isn't the cause.  They don't want to lose money on owners not vaccinating.

Thanks Jen, but I have been to 2 different practices now and BOTH vets will not hear of vaccinosis, in their world, it just doesn't exist, So I doubt they will fill this form out when I can't convince them it does exist :(