What are peoples view's on this website?? especially those geneticists out there.  Is this possible or could it be a cross breed?? www.pandashepherds.com

look like crossbreeds to me.  Wonder why there is no picture of them full on to assess their shape and size.

Found some other pics.  Must say they don't appeal at all, none of them look like the handsomw shephered in head that I am used to seeing even when there are differences in body shape.

Didn;'t the shepherd that played the little hobo have hite markings, and aren't white markings like this faults in many breeds that are self coloured or patterned.  They are in my breed, which are your wolf gray.  Husky's ande Malbutes have white mnarkings and are a primitive typw so woudl think the genes go way back but have been selected against in the GSD for a long time.

There are photographs of them stood

All the DNA tests prove is that the parents are the parents not that the dogs are GSDs to prove this all the dogs in their breeding going back to the original dogs imported to the USA would have to be tested & then all those dogs as well & still the tests will not prove they are GSDs

The head shape & the ears are not right neither is the shape of the dogs that are stood & held into a GSD stance, definitely a touch of another breed in them I have my theories on what breed. A gsd will naturally stand in the traditional GSD stance without having to be held the way these dogs are

A typical GSD head is much stronger than these & like the"brindle"GSD as opposed to sables are also being bred in the USA from a poorly marked gold sable dog & a very odd looking white bitch with a head like a dutch shepherd(which are of course all brindles)half of the puppies were white & the other brindle

Save up your money if you want one as they start from  over £2,000 each !!!!!

Edited to add Hobo was a dark grey sable with a very small pale mark on his chest he too was a funny shape but he was a brilliantly trained & handled dog of idea temperament tho & that to me is more important than looks(but I could never own any of the odd colours as they don't appeal to me)

Brindles ???

Also why Panda and not just piebald???  Maybve the latter woudl not sound so appealing?

OOps wrong dog the London who played Hobo in the2nd TV series was very much like the Kentwood sables with pale gold on his chest & legs & not the dog who played the dog in the Call to the Wild TV series (book by  Jack London) Doh got the wrong head on tonite ! I knew London came into it somewhere LOL

This is London from the secondhobo series

In the lower picture he could pass for a GSD Husky cross?

look like gsd  border collies 2 me

I most definitely do not like this, I worked with German Shepherds for years and many of my friends have them - theses 'panda' shepherds are very strange to look at, I personally just like to black and tan, nothing particularly against sables, backs, whites etc....its just what I am used to but I am certain I would never look at one of these odd looking markings with a positive outlook!

Look at this link http://www.colliecorner.com/wh_a.htm
count to 26 pictures from left to right and I think I've found the dog responsible for this new breed.
Could I be correct??

i like them!!!! they look more like collies!!!!!!

Don't say the latter part of that comment to the breeder :D .  I can't understand how everyone else can see it but they can't, the only thing I can't get my head around is the fact that this tri-coloured GSD can reproduce itself the same way a sable can so the gene for it is dominent.  Is tri-colour in a collie dominent or recessive??

recessive .....i think!!!

all the gsdxcollie xs i have seen though,HAVE NOT looked like that. nothing like it,& ive seen quite a few!!!!!

There is no specific gene for tricolour.   It's made up of back & tan pattern, which is recessive to some colours and white spotting which is recessive to solid.

The GSD piebald does seem to be genuine.  If this was a Collie or any other breed cross, it wouldn't breed as a dominant and the blue eye colour seems to be linked as well.  Spontaneous mutations do happen and this one could be unique in the canine world.  Just a shame they seem to be trying to create a breed out of it.

Julie

<The GSD piebald does seem to be genuine.  If this was a Collie or any other breed cross, it wouldn't breed as a dominant and the blue eye colour seems to be linked as well.  Spontaneous mutations do happen and this one could be unique in the canine world.  Just a shame they seem to be trying to create a breed out of it.>

The "pandas"all have the same very untypical heads & the markings are very consistant I have my private thoughts on the breed used which I have gleaned from knowing other breeds & also of an american GSD breeder who has been trying to breed Tri coloured GSDs for a while & whose dogs have this same untypical head shape. Blue eyes are rarely seen in GSDs not even in the dilutes & whites have brown eyes

The only proof these people have tht their dogs are GSDs are DNA tests & all thet proves is that the two dogs taken for testing are the parents of rhe puppies it does not prove that they are GSDs

Why wouldn't the tri colour be dominant ? After all black is only dominant over white in GSDs so if the dog had another breed behind it that was tri coloured the colour could well appear

I do agree that they should not be bred from but as these dogs are in the USA you can bet your life they will be  bred on & possibly inbred to "stablize"the colour

There is a series of genes controlling white spotting and these are consistent in all breeds.  Solid is dominant over white spotting, though there is some overlap ie extreme white is not totally recessive to solid.

Makes no difference if the parents are pedigree or not.  It would be possible to produce the piebald pattern if only one parent carried extreme white but this parent would then show white markings itself.  This can be ruled out if we believe the DNA testing of the parents.

The other possibility is that the original piebald Shepherd inherited the recessive from both parents.  If this was the case then it would be totally recessive to solid.  When bred on to another solid dog the piebald bitch would not produce more piebalds unless the dog also carried this recessive.  This can now be ruled out as more litters and third generation are still producing piebalds.

The only explanation as I see it is that it is a dominant piebald and as this is unknown in dogs, it must be a new mutation.

If one of these "tricolour" piebalds was bred to sable, sable & white would result and if black was introduced from both sides, black & white....wonder if they've though of that yet!

I agree, the type is not ideal but I have seen worse.

Julie

someone in dogs once wrote, and I agree.  Poor Type is anything in a dog that puts one moe in mind of another breed thatn the breed it is supposed to be.  If they look more like collies then they are very poor GSD!

**(Look at this link http://www.colliecorner.com/wh_a.htm)**

I think the next one (all white) looks like it is crossed with something like a Borzoi....well it reminds me of a borzoi I used to know, I just saw her when I looked at this pic :) He he!