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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Pro
- By Dog Lover [gb] Date 14.02.05 19:51 UTC
I want to take my dog protection classes.
I want it done by a pro rather than me do it and mess it up.
I was wondering if anyone knows of a site where i can book him in?

Thanks
Max
- By Spook [gb] Date 14.02.05 19:58 UTC
Which part of the country are you in? What methods are you interested in? (ie positive/negative training).
- By Dog Lover [gb] Date 15.02.05 14:00 UTC
I want to know that if a stranger aprouched me or my kids in a negitive way the command is there to make the dog bit him and release on command.
I know this can only be used in a serious issuse.
Just like Stann Lee said "with great power comes great responsibitly"

Thanks
Max
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 15.02.05 14:35 UTC
I would be very surprised if there is a trainer in the country that will train your dog to respond to a command to bite & release - unless you are training a police dog!

By training a dog to attack, you are putting the dog in a vulnerable situation - it could then be siezed as a dangerous dog!

Margot
- By abbymum [gb] Date 15.02.05 15:08 UTC
At one of our training classes one woman wantedher dog to growl on command the trainer suggested thaqt when playing tug and the dog got really excited and started making a growling noise to say nasty and reward that way the dog would associate the word nasty with growling and treat so it would be a game, you could work nasty into a sentence without anyone knowing you were giving a command. I dont know if I explained this properly Im sure someone who knows more than me will be along shortly.
Mary
- By catweazle [in] Date 15.02.05 16:10 UTC
Doesn't shutzhound (sp) training cover that ?? -but I think the dog has to have a high level of obedience before they can begin -I'm sure  ( but could be wrong lol ) that they train an *in* for the dog with a *leave* 
I'm not sure if its a good thing to teach a pet dog rather than a working dog -how about a taught growl  or bark on command ? I don't think you can get sued for that ;)
- By Moonmaiden Date 15.02.05 16:42 UTC
Schutzhund does include protection work but & it is a big but before you can train for protection work your dog must pass the lower BH test & have total control of your dog,

The dogs are trained for sleeve work but & again it is a big but they are trained to bite the sleeve & they fail if they do not come off immediately so the off is trained first

I would hope that NO private trainer doing one to one would even think of doing protection work as it takes more than two people to train correctly

Catweazle is correct that protection work should noy be considered with a pet dog as under the DDA even barking can be classed as dangerous & result in your dogs death for frightening people(remember the blind deaf toothless peke that was the subject of a DDA raid by armes police & whose owner died from a heart attack after her dog was "arrested)

I did do protection work with a couple of my GSDs & a BC as part of their PD WT training & I had to have both dogs up to TD standard before starting PD manwork

Edited to add NO way should anyone else train your dog especially for protection work if you do you have no control other the way the dog is trained, my fiiend in Germeny turned dowm Ralph Schumacher's request for her to sell him two Sch H III males as personal property guards, he did get a couple of dobes(I think) from the USA which were protection trained
- By louise123 [gb] Date 15.02.05 22:30 UTC
Scary thought, i wouldn't like to think my dog had it in him to bite someone even if it was for protection.
- By archer [gb] Date 15.02.05 22:36 UTC
I think the problem here is that if the dog is trained to bite and then release if ,for whatever reason, the dog was asked to do so then the owner could be prosecuted since he would have used the dog as a weapon
Archer
- By deaks [gb] Date 16.02.05 06:54 UTC
Any dog would protect its family if the situation warranted it - the thought of teaching a pet dog to attack on command is awful.  Where do you live?  Beiruit!

The laws governing dogs as the other posters stated would have your dog seized and destroyed before you knew what hit you.  If you have any love for you dog - don't even consider teaching them aggression.
- By Cava14Una Date 16.02.05 11:57 UTC
I'd be a bit worried that kids being kids they'd maybe trigger the dog mucking about with friends. Read somewhere that the best way to get a dog to protect you is to make it love you???

Anne
- By Dog Lover [gb] Date 16.02.05 13:53 UTC
Id like to train it to attack on command as i would like to enter him into irong dog as he has good winners and perfect bloodline temperment dogs.
Thanks Max
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 16.02.05 14:12 UTC
Don't be silly. Go away and play.
- By Trevor [gb] Date 16.02.05 14:34 UTC
What is irong dogs ??? - never heard of it :(

Yvonne
- By Alure [gb] Date 16.02.05 19:14 UTC
Max
As a few people have already said,a dog will protect if the need arises.They dont have to be taught.Schutzhund and WT which feature protection work as part of a qualification are considered a sport and people take this sport very seriously. It can take years to get a dog to an obediant standard before the PD or SCH3 part can even be considered.It's not a case of I want my dog to do the protection bit so thats what Im going to do.The dog has to have a stable temprement and you have to have 100% control of the dog 100% of the time.
- By Spook [gb] Date 16.02.05 19:41 UTC
I used a police dog handler to train one of my mals. The training was fantastic BUT although he wasn't trained to attack, he did become protective. The style of the training is based on the handler becoming the centre of the dogs world. He was typically people friendly before training and still is ...if people are in our house (no guarding instinct :) ) , but outdoors he isn't as tolerant of humans. He'll always put himself between you and anything he considers a threat.
Feel free to contact me via messages for details on ex police dog trainers.
- By Smudgley [gb] Date 16.02.05 20:00 UTC
Having seen police dogs being trained for attack work it is certainly not something that should be taught to a dog "in case" it should be needed.

Police dogs are trained daily with constant refreshers in this sort of work. To try & train your dog to do this is not advisable in my opinion.

Don't spoil your dog - enjoy him. As others have said - he would probably protect you anyway in a sticky situation. My rottweiler always protected me (not that I encouraged him to) & he was there for us once when some lads were on our garage roof, the lads ran off & my husband went after them with the dog - the police were called (as there was other stuff going on) & the police dog unit caught one of them, my husband caught another one - just because our dog was grumbling at him & he was scared stiff!
- By Moonmaiden Date 16.02.05 21:44 UTC
Max you have an"american"bulldog This post would indicate do & to train it to attack to presumably defend your wife & children would be very very foolish I would hope that no self respecting professional trainer whether ex police or not would train your dog If he/she did bite someone I think you would be runnning the risk of losing your dog under the DDA

Any professional dog trainer worth their salt would never ever train a dog to do protection wotk for a third party who may or may not have the experience to handle a dog trained in protection work. I have been requested to do so & always turned them down as in the current society a protection trained dog in amateurs hands is like giving them a gun with the hammer cocked & therefore running the risk of losing the dog & injuring an innocent party
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