If you bought a puppy off a breeder and it complimented the breed, so then you where looking for a stud dog to mate it with, would you then go back to the breeder who bred the dog and use one of it's brothers or sisters? 

i'm just trying to understand it myself, so i'm glad that someone else posted it as a topic!  Also jg i've got those smileys how do you got them on your messages?

thanks frank enlighten me please.

You would certainly be doing the right thing in taking the advice of the breeder, but they are unlikely to suggest mating to a full brother. Perhaps a half brother, where the other half of the pedigree offers some genetic diversity, whilst maintaining quality. However, the bitch may already be the product of a certain amount of line breeding, and the breeder may feel it would be better at this time to do an out cross mating.

Dawn R.

Thanks nursey at the moment i'm finding it a bit mind boggling.

If the breeder is knowledgeable then that is certainly the first place to go for advice. A suitable stud dog might be a cousin, or a dog that share the same grandsire as your bitch. They're unlikely to recommend using the bitch's sire or brother. The best dog might not belong to the breeder but they will know of all the relatives of their own pups, especially if those relatives enjoy show-ring success.

And how to do the smileys is on the [Help] board (I think!)
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Just in case the breeder isnt much use you might try the secretary of the breed club like I did with my first mating.  I found her to be really useful but it might just be we have a particularly good one. 

Thanks jg the best thing i done this year is to discover champ dogs message board, it's great!

Hi Frank :-)

The breeder is always the best place to go fro advice.  Line breeder to a brother or sister is not done though IF line breeding you back a at least 2 generations.  Line breeding is done as if you know the line you know the good and bad BUT line breeding isn't enough you have to look for the right type to compliment the dog. A bit heavy if at this stage you don't understand.

Being honest and not disrespectiful how do you know that the bitch is good enough to be bred from? has she been shown?

BFN

Not being picky Blue but my oldest bitch has never been shown nor would she be BUT she has produced some top notched pups two of them have stud book number and two others are consitantly in the top cards at shows out of 5 pups we show.  The dad is not a show dog either although I will say they both have good backgrounds.

Got to agree though that just because something looks good on paper it does not neccessarily mean it will match up.  Andrew Brace did a excellent article on this subject in DW recently.

thomas-the-spot,
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My post doesn't say if they have not been shown dont not breed from them :-)  it says "HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE IS GOOD enough to breed from Has she been shown"  and I 100% know there are some fantastic brrod bitches that have produced some wonderful dogs but someone knew they were OK to breed from or it was sheer luck :-)) .   Now for someone inexperienced in a breed that could not look at the dog itself and know it is good enough , unless they had someone else knowledgeable tell them it was a good specimen how do you know it is good enough to breed from. Do you see my point?

When I bred my first litter I had shown my girl a bit , it wasn't my opinion that decided she was good enough to breed from but her breeder and a mentor both experienced and quailifed people to say " Yes she is worth breeding a litter you should hopefully get something nice from her".

Hope that makes sense. I think you misunderstood what I meant :-)

My question has nothing to doing with showing but how does the poster know the dog is worth breeding from.

  

Thats better Blue!  There has been a few postings recently where there seems to a consensious that in order to be good enough to be bred from they must be shown.  I have seen many so called show dogs which in my humble opinion shouldnt be!  I was actually told once by a so called expert that because my dalmatian was too heavily marked I shouldnt breed her again the same person also told me that her daughter would not be good enough for champ shows but could pick up some pretty rossettes from opens.  She now has two CCs both before she was two and her mother has produced two more lovely litters of pups.

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply I wholeheartadly agree with what you are saying.

yes i think i misunderstood your point to, just reading it then and realised sorry.

Here, here!

No i'm not breeding a bitch, this subject intrigues me, i dont unerstand it so i thought use could enlighten me on it.  i;ve just put a deposit down on a puppy and i hope she turns out to be a good representation of the breed.  I'm going to start out showing her and hopefully learn all the ropes.  The breeder says she will be good enough to show.  When i first got in touch with the breeder i told her would like one of show quality, they seem genuine enough.  I dont just one to show and then breed from because it's been to a few shows i enjoy it and feel it would be most satisfactory to take a dog to shows and see how it does once you have put all the hard work in. If it turns out with a well rounded temperment and top condition.

Good luck with the showing if you decide to do it.

I bred my first litter purely to get a 2nd one and was lucky enough to get the right advice at the right time.  You will find at dog shows if there is one thing people like to talk about its their dogs!  Most people are very helpful and you quickly pick it up especially if you want to learn.

What breed is she by the way?

she's a bullmastiff i can not wait to get her, i'm going to take her to socialisation classes first, do they also do ring presentation aswell or is that separate.

I've just purchased a book off amazon (beginners to winners) supposed to be come today but it hasen't came.  I'm looking forward to reading it though.  I've also been to newsagents to order our dogs magazine.

If you contact the kennel club they will give you the address and phone number of your local ringcraft class.  I dont believe they combine the two but ringcraft will definately be easier with a well socialised dog especially having such a large dog.

Good luck your pup I am sure you will love having it.

tThanks very much for your advtce thomas-the spot, it all comes in handy,