Does any one know of a blue staffy male for stud that is of typical breed type? if so do you know how much they charge and the location thanx

Your bitch is to young.
Colour should not be your main concern....health ,type and compatability to your bitch should be.
Archer

I can't beleive I'm reading all your posts...you've got a 12 month old staff who is not eating properly ,has demodex and you want to breed from her!!!!!! I sincerely hope you are trying to wind us up!
Archer

i have 2 female staffs and one male the one i want to breed from is eating well, i want to breed from her if i can but it depends on the facts on demerox mites if the puppies can get it i don't want to breed as like everyone i don't want bad breeding in my name i am just so confused about the facts

So which ones got the mites? Which one do you want to breed from?and how old is she?
Archer

they all have the mites worst luck and she is 15 months old but eventually i do want to breed from the 12 month old as well but not yet for her as she is to skinny and to young

Theyare both too young...they should be at least 2 .PLEASE let your babies grow up before breeding them. Yes ...if you breed from the bitches now the pups will catch the mites...so deal with that problem first.
I beleive you show! Have you not seen any nice dogs in the ring? and why a blue if they are show dogs?
Archer

a dog with demodex is recommended not to be bred from

THOUGHT SO LEL JUST WASN'T 100% SURE ABOUT IT.
Amanda Jane
Now you are aware of this please be aware that IF you breed from your bitches in the knowledge that you shouldn't due to the demodex the purchasers will be able to take legal action against you should the pups have this condition at any point in their lives.
If you decide to breed despite advice YOU WILL be contaminating the stud dog and hence they can sue you too
Archer

i was reading your reply and you have said demerox mites would pass to the stud dog during mating . this could not happen as they are only passed through the mothers milk and they usually have to be active in the bitch at the time but a bitch with mites should not be breed from

the mites have cleared up now and they are looking good but some vets say that they have them all there life and some say that once there gone there gone for ever i don't know what to belive. I only show one of my dogs and yes there are some cracking dogs on the show scene but what can i say i love blues and i would love to get my own blue line going if poss but i know there are alot of faults coming through on the blues at the mo

amanda jane - at least you seem to be open to advice before going ahead with breeding :) hopefully you haven't been put off reading this thread and this board because there is a lot of valuable advice here.

Your girls need to be at least 2 before breeding and yes, you need to get rid of the mites first. Have you taken them to the vets?

don't forget there are lots and lots of staffies being bred out there - make sure you are not adding to the total by  ensuring you have good homes lined up and a deep pocket for the raising of the litter. You can expect it to cost £1500 plus to rear them properly - assuming there are no complications with c-sections. Also make sure you are prepared for the worst happening and you losing your bitch and having to hand rear the pups. If you arm yourself with the facts before proceeding you are in a far better position - The Book of the Bitch is invaluable :)

Surely if these bitches have had Demodex then they shouldnt be bred from as I was told that the puppies inherit this condition from the bitch, my smooth collie had this and althought the rest of her litter mates were clear I was told by several people and my vet that she should not be bred from.

All dogs have the demodex mite, its just that it soesnt show up in most, but if for some reason your pup has a weakness it rears its ugly head, yes the mite will be there forever but the pup eventually builds up a resistance to it, but do not breed from them as they will pass it on.

Your right Jenny...none of them should be bred from

i do agree but it is just hard to know what to do when so many different vets contradict themsevles one vet told me that it is ok as long as the bitch isn't showing sings of the mites by doing a skin scrape and that the mites do skip generations and every dog is born with it anyway, only short coated breeds are more prone to it. Other vets say no way on earth under no circumstances.

I was sold my bitch and wasn't told that she had this and i informed the kennel club about it and they didn't want to know

Even if it skips a generation what if someone buys your pups and then breeds them...what of those pups! Do you REALLY want to be responsible for DOZENS if not more of infected staffys??

It's nothing to do with the Kennel Club, I'm afraid.

As my vet tells me, all dogs carry the demodex mite. If it takes a hold and starts affecting them badly, although it can be treated and cured it means the dog has an immune problem. Dogs with immune problems should not be bred from.

You wrote .....I was sold my bitch and wasn't told that she had this and i informed the kennel club about it and they didn't want to know

If you breed you'll be doing the same....2 wrongs don't make a right!

that is just what i don't want to do which is why i am trying to find out as much as i can about the mites

thats what they said but as a registered breeder that is breeding pups with mites surely they cannot support her and allow her to keep producing this bad breeding and misleading people into thinking they are buying healthy pups

Breeders don't register with the KC....they just register pups
The KC doesn't support breeders ...it is a registry.
If the breeder knew the dogs she was breeding from were contaminated with Demodex then you could always sue her
Archer

Amanda jane, breeders aren't registered with the KC. The dogs are, as long as both their parents are and that they are of the same breed. That's all that's needed. Sadly it's no guarantee of quality or health. It's the buyer's responsibility to check that for themselves.

SNAP JG

This is interesting - Demodex It confirms that animals that have recovered should never be bred from, so yes, if you do and your new owners pups end up with this you could well find yourself liable.

Very good Chloe, that made interesting reading, it reminded me of the horrible stinky wash that I had to use on my Collie, because being a collie breed she couldnt have the Ivermetcin, which is leathal to collie breeds, god she stunk poor thing, it took 4 long weeks and lots of washes for it to clear up.!!!!!!!

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Yes my Collie was bought from a very good breeder, it was the bitches 1st litter, she hadnt had demodex, her breeder was really upset when I told them, as I said none of her littermates had it, but the bitch wasnt bred from again and my bitch neither its not worth the risk. If you breed from these bitches you are just carrying on passing this down the lines forever.

i have since buying my bitch spoken to a lady who was buying one of my friends pups and we got chatting and she was going to buy my bitch before i did and the breeder had informed her that she had mites so the lady told her to swan off. The breeder then must have realised that she wasn't going to sell the bitch by being honest so she just didn't tell me. If all the info i get confirms what i think that she shouldn't be bred from then i won't because i don't want anyone to have to go through what i go through

Amanda
I'm glad you're reconsidering....as you asy why subject others to what you have gone through and why inflict this condition on more animals!
Archer

Have you told the breeder of these staffys that they have demodex, are they all from the same breeder, what is their reaction to it, unfotunately it doesnt always develop before the pups leave home mine didnt get it until she was about 16 weeks old, as I say my breeder was extremely supportive and horrified that they had sold me a pup with it, they even offered me another pup as they knew I was going to show her and breed from her (as always tests permitting), I didnt have another as my husbands asthma was suffering with her constant moulting and she eventually went to live with a good friend of mine where she is the only dog and loves it.
There are breeders who breed knowing their dogs have this inherited condition, its not illegal Im afraid but unscrupulous if they dont help theres not a lot you can do, just learn from it and be extra careful of where your pups come from.

no to be honest i haven't contacted the breeder i don't like to (stupid hey) no all my dogs are from different breeders including my best mate and both her dogs have been tested and neither of them have it as they have been skin scrapped. I just don't know what to do i am at my wits end with it all.

I am just so annoyed at this breeder as i don't want to part with my dog i love her to bits but at the same time i can't afford to keep her what with vets bills and one thing and another

If you love her, keep her. That's what the rest of us do. It doesn't matter that they're no good for breeding - first and foremost they're pets.
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I can understand having 3 dogs with demodex must be VERY expensive....are you thinking of getting rid of all of them?I'm NOT having a go...if you can't afford the treatment then they must go somewhere where they will get the proper treatment....but as JG says don't just get rid because she can't be bred.
If you do rehome PLEASE get them speyed first...so that you know they cannot be bred
Archer

not sure yet its all up in the air at the moment but don't worry there not suffering they are all getting the best care possiable with lots of love. Don't worry i will be getting them spayed as i want someone to love them like i do and not use them to make a quick buck and i won't get rid just because i can't breed it's just i am finding i am getting a vets bill nearly every week at the mo and its becoming very expensive

AJ...like I said I'm not judging.If you cannot afford the treatment then you must do whats best for your dogs.
I would also like to say thankyou for listening to advice ...so many people come on here and when they don't hear what the want the ignore it and do as they please anyway. You obviously care for your dogs and want the best for them...well done!
Archer
ps...welcome to champdogs :D

thanx for giving your advice i am always open to suggestions and new information you have been very helpful

You can't breed from sub standard dogs in order to meet the expense of keeping them and covering vets bills - it will just cost you ten times more in the long run. If you are expecting to make money breeding then I really think you should look into it really thoroughly - you need to buy in the best stock in the first place and that is not cheap.

You really should contact them, Its strange that all of yours have it as it cannot be passed on from dog to dog (I Think) unless there is an immune weakness in them all as they are all still quite young, perhaps you should discuss with your vet your feeding regime etc, did you read the link on demodex that Chloe put up, it tells you there what can help build them up to fight it off, are they having washes and ivermetcin, it shouldnt take too long to clear up as long as they are well built up to fight it off.

it is strange the vet says that it isn't passable but he is questioning it at the mo because he says that only 3% of dogs actually have active mites. The dogs do have the washes and it is horriable for them and me the house stinks for hours afterwards, i haven't read the e-mail yet but i will do all info is gratefully recieved

My vet books confirm that demodex mange is not contagious between dogs and cannot spread to man (unlike sarcoptic mange). Most dogs carry the mites which they acquire as puppies while suckling, but a healthy immune system prevents their multiplication and disease does not occur.

"A small percentage of dogs have an immunodeficiency or defect in the immune system and are unable to limit the multiplication of the parasite and so develop lesions.

""It is likely that the immunodeficiency involved in this condition is hereditary and therefore owners should not breed from recovered animals, even if the disease was present in its localised form."

Quotes taken from 'Veterinary Notes for Dog Owners'.

Out of interest, does the stud dog not have a part to play, regarding the mites, if its passed on from the mother ?  i always thought  its the inability to cope from it that is inherited ( ie immune system ) so if this is the case then theSire would have as big apart to play, wouldnt he ??? I would have thought breeding from a bitch with a poor immune system is the main issue.

I agree breeding from the bitch is the main issue but yes stud dogs can get it aswell but only from the mother but he cannot pass it on through sex. Don't ask me how or why

He may not be able to pass on the mites themselves when mated, but he most certainly can pass on the predisposition to it (i.e. a compromised immune system)

Yes that could be passed on but if the pups don't have active mites then it won't affect then in that sense as far as i know

It will because it is when the immune system is compromised that the mites become active!!!

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it the vets are always abit hazey on it but if you say that is the way it is i will agree as i don't really know what i am talking about on this subject and you sound like you do. Thanxs for putting me straight all information is greatly recieved

Your very welcome amanda.  Hope it has helped you.  That is what this forum is all about passing on knowledge to other people.

Exactly! So a dog (or bitch) that has a healthy immune system won't show symptoms, so is unlikely to pass on the weakness to the litter. An animal that has exhibited the symptoms has the weakness, so should be eliminated from the gene pool.

No, demodex isn't an STD - all dogs carry the mite, but are generally healthy enough overall for it not to affect them.
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Stafford people if they are honest will tell you its a no go on the breeding from this bitch as even if it clears up a percentige of her pup's will of inherited her imune system. I have seen it twice in fifteen years. The arguement being just bad skin just like teenagers are prone to acne and some never even get a plague of spot's maybe just the odd one. So bets to say she is brindle more than black and her gums are pink instead of black.
As for a Blue boy I only know of one who is standard but strong in build which has taken away the finer points of his breeding as he well bred the rest I have to be honest are a mixed bag of nothing and I dont regard my comments any more than the truth.
You cant breed for blue's its a fact so breeding with a blue boy will not result in blue pup's you have do the research in your pedigree as some lines produce blue's. I dont wish to take away your right to breed as we all started somewhere its just the odds are not in your favour as alot of the breeders on here soon learned it takes a lot longer to breed something good from an average specimen its much better to get a good one and then breed. And then it can go belly up like my friends stud fee £150.00 C section £600 blood tests for mum as she lost loads of condition £110.00 and ultra sound £85.00 and drugs £30.00. The cost of rearing and all the rest and only three pups to sell all of which are beautiful and I'm in love with the bitch as she is outstanding and no buyers as yet as there are just to many pup's about at the moment how many are on here and I'm not breeding and have stated the fact so havent had any e-mails for a while and its bad timing anyway just after christmas and these pup's are 7 weeks old this weekend and they are brill pup's. Another litter from a very good bitch he has 2 still and its stressful enough raising puppies with out the worry of selling them I have been very lucky and have had people waiting for my pup's but I honestly believe those days are over as its flooded. I hope things sort them selves out for all of us