Does anyone know of a shichon breeder in the UK. We understand that this is a new breed which is ideal for our young family, but can only find US breeders.

Has anyone bred them in the UK?

Thanks

I'm sorry, but it's not a new breed at all - it's a crossbreed, with all the gamble of results with any cross.  Why do you think it would be ideal for your family?

Yet another "Designer Dog" bred more times than not by the unscrupulous from un health tested dogs sold at inflated prices. When will people learn?

Do you think its the fancy names they give them that makes them so appealing, if they were just advertised as crossbreed no-one would want to spend big money on them!!!

I would assume that this is a Shihtzu x Bichon, god knows what sort of coats they could have, a nightmare I should think.  Can you just imagine the matts that would form in them.  :-(

Must admit I am beginning to despair of this latest fashion in designer dogs

As long as there are gullible people around these puppy farmers and unscrupulous so called "Breeders" will sell their wares. A matter of, "A fool and his money are soon parted!"

How much better for a person to look for a good sound puppy of a recognised breed from health tested parents complete with the backup of an experienced breeder behind them rather than a mongrel from a person only interested on getting hold of their money.

Regards, John

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this is a not a breed.....its a cross breed that some idiot has decided would be a good way of conning people into parting with their money.There is no way of knowing how the pups will turn out...it is a lottery as to which genes the pups inherit from which parent.Every pup will be different...what you can be sure of is that the parents will be poor breed examples who have had no health tests completed.
Buy a pedigree dog from a reputable breeder....theres plenty of breeds suitable for a family
Archer

of course it could just be a WUM ?

Surely there should be, and MUST come into force very soon, some sort of legalisation that SHOULD be put into practise to stop these puppy farms. I have now seen a breeder advertising SEVEN different breed types of puppies for sale. I e-mailed him just to see if the pups were KC registered, and he replied "nah mate, no need, unless you gonna show", he then went on to say the pups in question were 9 weeks old and HAD HAD ALL their injections and therefore would be able to be taken for a walk in the park. At nearly £500 a pup, he must be making an awful lot of money, I just worry for the poor poor dogs, and very gullible people.

Trouble is, there are no laws. the only possible thing they can fall foul of is having too many dogs whilst not being licenced, or possibly noise. Possibly we could try passing on info to the vat man and the tax inspector but thats about the extent of it.

I really do think it is about time our famous KC got up off their collective behinds and did something positive with all the money they rake in off of us.

Regards, John

Thanks John
So, how many dogs are you allowed to have without a licence?  Say, if he is averaging 6 pups per litter, that's £21,000. More than most people earn in a year, and if he can say that a 9 week old pup can be walked on a lead in the park, he doesn't know much about pups. Yes, I've taken mine out in my arms, to socialise them, but never put them down on the ground until a week after their last injection.

Not sure SashaKameo but I think it depends on local bylaws. I would have thought that was probably the limit or more. One thing is certain, at that figure the VAT and tax men would be VERY interested! (So would social services if they are claiming anything!) ;)

Regards, John

The tax man is interested at any price!  Any activity which provides income is subject to income tax - and that includes breeding dogs!

Planning Law states that more 3 breeding bitches must be licenced and no more than 6 canines may be kept in one domestic dwelling.  This was a law passed by Worcester Council in 1984 and most councils now adhere to this.  I had a case last year where a man had 4 bitches of breedable age and he had to get a licence unless he could prove that one was spayed he couldn't so he had to get a licence and that was in Derbyshire

& another council backed down after trying to get a hobby breeder to apply for change of use as he had more than 6 dogs & more the 3 bitches of breeding age they could not find any catagory  to change his property to. It was in all the dog papers

BTW Councils do not pass laws I think you will find only ByeLaws. As far as I am aware a law requires an act of parliament

This is true MM and certainly you have no problem keeping 6 bitches around here. (And I doubt anyone on our council would know what "Breeding Age" is!)

Regards, John

Planning Law goes through the court and is uphheld by the Environment Agency, National & Local Government

Planning Law states that more 3 breeding bitches must be licenced and no more than 6 canines may be kept in one domestic dwelling.  This was a law passed by Worcester Council in 1984 and most councils now adhere to this.

This is NOT a planning law it is a local authority's planning offices byelaw at the most

When the house which is  my nearest neighbour now was built there was no such restriction put on dog ownership, my home was built for the county's planning officer & having looked at the legal stuff I inherited there is no mention of a dog owning.breeding restriction The licence for a breeding establishment is not dealt with by the planning office in the first instance it is the Environment Health Office that deals with the application & if necessary they will involve the Planning Office, this happened to our rescue kennels, the new EHO inspected for the licence for the separate boarding kennels & then they referred the rescue kennels to the planning officer who then visited & gave the guidelines for the planning side dimensions etc & the EHO gave the standards required for the rescue kennels. We had to commision buildings plans for the rescue kennels which were referred to the PO & when passed by them had to be reffered to the EHO to check they met with their standards. When all the work was done they were inspected to ensure they complied with the building regs & EHO guidelines & the licence was then reissued. The even worse part was when these rescue kennels were then rated for business rates !!! even though the EHO & Planning office only passed them for use for rescue dogs !!! That debate is still going on.

Here there is no PO restrictions on the number of dogs or breeding bitches that you can keep in a private house, the only restiction is that if you have the requisite number of breeding age entire bitches & breed you require a breeders licence from the EHO. This also applies for the KC registrations if you breed I think it is 5 litters a year. So if it was a planning law all LA's would be the same

If memory serves me right wasn't Freda Cook taken to court for not having a breeders licence as she had more than  breeding bitches & she won can't remember the full reason but it was something to do with the oldies she had I do remember the EHO were very angry  & set about ensuring she was stopped from owning dogs in which they were successful of course( B H that shows my age)she was banned by the KC for this as well, sad really as she did breed some cracking Westies

Planning law does but it is only applicable to the area it is dealing with.

The buck doesnt stop with Planning law in fact half of what they say can be thrown out also. They only deal really with the licences. Each council has it's own rules also and they can even be changed case to case .

How many dogs you can actually have as in own or kept on your premise is usually in the title deeds listed as burdens. The original Fue holder actually has the first say then house builders  (including the local authority housing built by the councils) can add to that but cannot over rule or dismiss the original fue holder. All too complicated for a message board and each case, area, council have their own guidelines.

This breeder is now advertising puppies of THREE more different breeds (making 10 in total), all ready to go.  He advertised a Cocker Spaniel puppy at half price, "last one, cheap for quick sale". My daughter rang him as she was fuming and he told her the same story, that they had had ALL their injections (9 weeks) and could be lead walked. Won't say any more, but hopefully he won't be around for much longer. If anyone wants to know about puppy farming look at, www.puppywatch.org.uk and get ready with a box of tissues.

Why not just have a Bichon.  They are great little dogs with a super temperament.  They are quite friendly, placid  and loving without being lap dogs.  The only problem I have encountered is they only come in one colour - white .

Anna, I love it :d

Hi Guest, might I suggest that if you are after a cross-breed, you take a trip to your local animal shelter?  There are plently of cross breeds in there that need homes, and would definitely be a better option than paying an over-inflated price to someone who would deliberately breed pups purely for a fancy name! :)

Oh whatever next. God i really dispair especially when you see the numbers of Rescues getting higher and higher, without these idiots breeding even more cross-breeds.

Don't you just love these new dogs that are all "ideal for a family"... don't moult, don't bark, don't get dirty. Why not get a stuffed one.