For some reason I'm having problems locating breeders of English Shepherd dogs  - can you help please? Indeed there does not seem to be as much info on English Shepherd Dogs as for others - should I be looking under an alternate generic name. Would really appreciate if you can point me in the right direction. Many thanks

You mean German shepherd dogs...no such breed as an english shepherd.German shepherds have an 'english type'.
Archer

Or possibly an OES - Old English Sheepdog?

there is.....in america, like a big aussie type border collie

  {link http://www.englishshepherd.org/}englishshepherd{/link}

sorry try

english shepherd

Don't think theres any of them in the country is there?

dont think so! maybe the guest isnt in this country though if theyve heard of them!!!!!

Don't know of any in the UK - they look so like Aussies with tails though!!

I'm not aware of anyone bringing any in, either..... yet ;)

Margot

no merles though!

i dont understand why the aussie started in the US & is called the "aussie"
these are the "english"

why dont they call one of them the "american "shepherd???
odd

look at the black & tans,i think they look very hovawartish

There is an very easy expliantion to the "aussie" from america...We think it came in though Australia (infact we think we can link the breed back to spain!) but anyway, I think it's the aussie came to america, from australia with australian sheep!

However they were developed into the breed they are today by the americans.

The aussie has a lost history, ask 10 people in the breed and you will get 10 stories!

Probably be told off for this but I think they look like mongrels...sorry!

:D :D

Margot

each of the different colours appear to have a fairly distinct type. i really only like the tris

Archer, you can't be told off for having our veiws.  I se them as aussies with tails (or heavy border collies) My mum would agree and say mongrels...Everyone has their personal veiw! And if they don't like what others say they should keep mouths shut!!!!!

I would love to know why the USA invent breeds using ot6her countries names when they ahve nothing to do with that country. like the Australian Shepherd not being an ustralisn breed?

Should be the Well-Travelled Shepherd really :D

Daisy

Brainless the aussie is spanish!!! :D Just to confuse you even more. But to ameriaca came via australia!

AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD HISTORY
by Linda Rorem (the original of this article appeared in Dog World magazine)

Little can be known for certain about the origin of many breeds. With regard to the Australian Shepherd, various theories have arisen: that it is of Australian origin; that it is really a Basque breed; that it is of old Spanish origin. The investigating I have done indicates that none of the above theories provides the whole story, but together they may play a part.

Histories of California relate that although there had been many flocks of sheep at the Spanish missions, the number of sheep in the Far West had greatly declined by the time of the Gold Rush at the end of the 1840's. The Gold Rush and the Civil War brought about a great demand for mutton and wool. To meet this demand, large flocks were driven to the Far West from the Midwest and from New Mexico. Sheep were brought around the Horn from the Eastern states, and imported from Australia (1). Dogs accompanying these flocks, along with later arrivals, would figure in the background of the Australian Shepherd.

This also explains the making of the English shepherd a little bit!

English Shepherds are the descendants of Shepherd's dogs in Scotland and Northern England, giving rise to the modern show Collies.The differ from the Border Collie differ from the Border Collie in having been bred primarily for an upright, loose-eyed herding style and as guard and hunting dogs.  They're quite nice dogs, but really all I can think is if I wanted one i'd get a working Collie, unless I lived in the USA of course. I did a bit of research on them after a Dutch friend became interested, I think the site has already been mentioned but here's a link: www.englishshepherd.org

Believe a breeder said there are a few in the UK being worked on farms, can't for the life of me remember the farm he mentioned though.

I would say that the Labrador retriever c ould be said to ahve been developed in its current form in the UK, but it is still called the Labrador, so there is no precedent, but at least the breed is recognised in Canada. :D