Ive always been a bit dubious of kennel reared pups, but thinking it through im guessing a large number of people that have kennels and breed dogs, is because they are really into their dogs and work really hard to improve the breed.
As opposed to some house breeders who dont have a clue and just bred a litter.

Of course it works both ways, some house breeders are very good responsible breeders, and some kennels only breed for the money, but i think their are kennels who do have say more than 5 bitches, are not all bad, what do you think ?

I don't breed myself, and i don't have anything against anyone breeding AS LONG AS IT IS DONE PROPERLY and you have taken the time to do lots of research on breeding. There are good breeders and bad breeders out there. It does not meen that a breeder is bad because they have kennel puppies, mostly quite the opposite. Alot of people are not in breeding for the money, they have a massive interest in the breed and only want to improve on the breed and take a massive pride in producing good puppies. On the other extreme there are your money makers who don't care anything about the dogs that they are breeding and will breed with dogs that are not even suitable to breed from, i call them puppy farmers. Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against people making money either but like i say as long as it is done properly and the bitch is taken care of all her life, and not shoved out the door the day she is too old to breed. I do somtimes feel sorry for first time breeders because they get quite a bit of stick, but everyone has to start somwhere and it must be very scarey if you care about your dog.

Just goes to show that you can't make sweeping generalisations about breeders. I 've bred myself for over 20 yrs but personally speaking my puppies are house reared, although do go outside occasionally when they get to the stage of needing more space. I would never again buy a totally kennelled reared puppy since having great problems with socialisation in an otherwise beautifully reared, well bred puppy. I also think there's a fine line between "devoted to" and "obsessed by" their breed in some people and rather than breeding for the betterment of the breed, they breed for the betterment of their own breeding, thereby swamping the market!
Everyone has to start somewhere but they should only do so under the guidance of more experienced breeders who know when & if to breed and which studs to use etc.

All my BC's & bought in GSDs have been bred & reared outside & I haven't had any problems tha cavaliers were bred indoors being a companion breed they do not thrive in kennels

i think it depends on the breed , i cant imagine rearing a litter of staffords outside, they hate being cold!!

So Anwen are you devoted or obbsessed by your breed, and could you define what you mean by swamping the market. Who do you class as doing this. Is every breeder accused of swamping.

My puppies are house reared, who dont go outside as I have no kennels,but I have also bought puppies who are kennel reared and have had no problems with socialisation, toilet training etc. I have also an adult dog who was kenneled until the age of four which I have brought into my home, again no problems, takes a little longer in house training I admit, but no other problems whatsoever.
I am devoted to my breed, possibly bordering on the obsession, but my breeding, as well as for the betterment of my line is also for the betterment of the breed as a whole. My next litter will be in about 2 years, so cant really see me swamping the market. Unfortunately, there are too many other not so caring breeders in my breed doing that already

I think all cases should be dealt with individually.I don't think you can judge if a pup is well raised/bred because of where it spent the first few weeks of life.
Archer

Archer, why could I not have said just that, It would have been so much simpler and so true :)

I think you will find that most pups these days bred by the hobby breeder are born indoors, and will spend time out in a kennel once they need the space.  I cannot imagine trying to rear an Elkhound litter entirely indoors, and mine have access to a kennel and run outside  the kitchen once they reach four weeks and spend a fair amount oftime there while their indoor facilities are clened, and come indoors to eat and sleep and be cuddled etc.  TYhe kitchen simply isn't big enough to accomodate them otherwise.

Claudia, since I breed approx. once every 2 1/2 yrs and do have a life outside dogs I don't think I can be classed as obsessed although I am devoted to my breed. Why so defensive?? There are breeders in many breeds but it is obviously more apparent in smaller breeds, who constantly have puppies for sale. These puppies may be well bred but those puppies being born have not added anything (except numbers) to the breed in general and to the gene pool in particular. Repeat matings are a good example of this. Other breeders trying to do something a little different soon become disheartened when they end up with a litter they can't sell and these are often the breeders who are trying to add something useful to the breed (like fresh bloodlines) not necessarily trying to get every dog they breed into the show ring. If you read my first post properly you will see that I said that you can't make sweeping generalisations about breeders.

Sorry Amwen, didn't meen to come across as defensive, just wondered who and what you meant about swamping the market.

I musr admit that in a numerically small breed like my own I don't approve of repeat matings which there have been rather a lot of in the last couple of years, but found myself trying exactly the same.  My reasons were a difficult to mate bitch who had only had a small litter, and as ssthe dog had manged to amte her were hoping for more co-operation this time.  Unfortunately if anything she was worse this time.  Unfortunately most of the compatible males for her are going to be yung untried/inexpereinced ones, so will be trying her with the successful partner yet again, as I wouldn't have the heart to put off some young male from perhaps ever mating a bitch.

I feel that in my breed that I wdn't. have them outside, mainly because they are a breed that can be wary of people and in my experience of them over the last 13 years they really do need a lot of socialisation straight away or they can be a bit standoffish. 

I wouldn't call people who have litters in a kennel, but it's not for me.