Can someone please give me contacts for Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Stud dogs.  I am hoping to breed my dog soon. 

thanks susanne

first i would contact the breeder of your girl ..... then get her heart and eye tested ....then contact your local breed club who will advise you more about your girls lines and the right stud dog to use ...

You ahould also have your bitch MRI scanned for Syringohydramyelia & any stud dog should also have been scanned(the owner will have a certificate showing whtether or not the dog is clear)

Don't forget to check that there are no breeding restrictions on her KC Registration (her breeder should be able to tell you that)

CAN YOU ADVISE WHERE THIS CAN BE DONE MRI SCANNING, ALSO MY VET SAID THIS WILL COST BETWEEN THE REGION OF £600 - £700 AND THAT THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY VETS WHO ARE ABLE TO DO THIS AS THIS HAS ONLY COME TO LIGHT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS REALLY HASN'T IT..

TO BE HONEST AT THAT COST I DOUBT WE WILL SEE MANY STOCK BEING SCREENED FOR THIS, ALSO I KNOW OF A CAVALIER JUDGE AND BREEDER WHO DOES NOT SCREEN HER STOCK FOR MRI AS YET AS IT IS TOO EXSPENSIVE!!

PERSONALLY I THINK IF LINE BREEDING WASN'T DONE SO MUCH  I DOUBT WE WOULD HAVE HALF OF THESE PROBLEMS IF THE GENE POOL WAS MADE A BIT  BIGGER

Firstly Mucca Please take your caps lock off as I cannot read your post easily. Your vet is wrong with the time scale more like last 10 years but has been misdiagnosed by vets & hidden by breeders

The scans for the scheme do NOT cost £600 they are at the most £200 +vat

The person to contact is:

Geoff Skerritt BVSc DipECVN CBiol MIBiol FRCVS
RCVS & European Specialist in Veterinary Neurology
Cranmore Veterinary Referral Services
Chestergates Referral Hospital, Chestergates, Chester, CH1 6LT
Tel: 01244 853823 Fax: 01244 853824
cranmorevetref@aol.com

Any breeder who does not scan & claims they cost too much at £235(less than the price of half a puppy)should NOT be breeding & has something to hide

I own an Sygringohydramyelia affected dog who is asymptomatic at this time(proven by MRI scan)

Until Claire R finds the marker/mutant gene MRI is the only tool we have to stop the spread of this terrible condition, your breeder judge friend has his/her head in the ground if they do not get their breeding stock scanned

I will go on trying to educate the buying  public & do remember now there is a way of  screening breeding stock &if  it is not done & a breeder produces an affected puppy(from unscreened stock) I would advise the buyer to take the breeder to court for negligence Hitting uncaring breeders in the pocket is possibly the way to go. Pity the poor puppies tho'

Hi
sorry about the capital letters - why is it hard to read i thought it would be easier if anything..lol ??

firstly i said i ''know'' of a judge/breeder she is NOT my friend(you'd probably know her yourself) and i DO have a freind who owns a male with sm, i have just spoken to someone regarding this, and aparantly the £235 plus vat  that Geoff Skerritt has offerd has only just come into affect - am i right ??? because of the cost for MRI scanning as a few of  my freinds attended the senimar the other night!

personally i find £200 ok along with the £130 per year for heart and eye testing my dogs health is the most importance to me so are their sibblings, however i think its hard enough finding a pup and  making sure dams and sires are heart and eye clear - alot of  breeders(not all) are only just coming round to getting the heart and eye tested - i think we will have a long wait before we see a good out come with MRI scanning if it has took this long to get most breeders screening for mvd!

Mr Skerritt has his own MRI scanner so has set the charge to cover the costs as they are not cheap machines to run I learnt of the scheme  a while ago & had my dog screened at the request of his father's breeder/owner(not his breeder who seems to have gone out of dogs when his father was PTS with SM)I will also be having my other young dog done as he is maternally related to my youngest & I feel that my dogs breeder have something they have not told me. the two older dogs both have heart probs & at 7 1/2 & 8 & having never been used at stud will not be screened as they are not suitable to be bred from heartwise. No one is likely to want to use my next to youngest boy at stud as his breeding is not fashionable

I know Mr Skerritt has let vets know as my vet was aware & even organized an in house training session for SM diagnosis as he was becoming concerned at the increase in cases he saw(we have three prolific exhibitor/judge/breeders in this area & he was seen dogs from all of them with SM but they have no interest in anything other than their show wins & money from the puppies & studs.)

Hi Moonmadien

is this scanning only available at this cost with Mr Skerritt at the moment? so would all clients have to go to chester to get this done ( i forgot to ask before) for the likes of myself is about 250 miles away!
thanks.

i can more than fully understand how passionate you are being a owner of a dog with sm and how strong your feelings are toward this and i do too hope that breeders will take note of the issue to help our beloved breed live a long pain free life.

best wishes and hugs to your little one!

There is a vet in Derby I believe he & Mr Skerritt are working together & I live over 200 miles from Mt Skerritt but the trip is worthwhile(theres a lil chef nearby to have a coffee in whilst waiting for the scan to be done)

He is trying to get the AHT at Cambridge to charge the same but it is still at the planning atge yet(I'm sure he will bring them round to his way of thinking)

MR Skerritt uses Sedation & he is "working"on the other vet to do the same

An E mail to Mr Skerritt about the other vet if he is nearer or a quick phone call should get you the info

Mucca
having your cap lock on while posting is regarded as shouting(and hence 'rude')
Regards Archer

oh dear this forum is very bitchy isn't it !!!
sorry i made a mistake  - rude for using capital letters not heard that before thanks for advising me on that Archer i must remeber to tell my friends.

i have heard from many people how bitchy this forum is, glad i only pop on from time to time also i read a message from the owners of this site - for you lot to slow down a bit on people you lot are always ready to jump in, instead of being friendly and offer warm advice.

personally i don't feel that you lot welcome ''new'' members into your little cyber world very well or at all really - shame!

whats the saying ''its not what you know - its who you know'' !!

i mean look how this post started...'someone asking for advice'' and now look how you have let be lead.

The OP has been given very good advice Mucca :) You were given advice that most people on the net would give, no one was being bitchy :)

Do tell me where I have bitchy ? My concern that a breed I love be rid of a genetic condition that leads to pain & sometimes death ? In that case i must be a real bitch

Hi Susanne

I'm sorry that you think that people are being "bitchy" :D to you - believe me, they'e not!!!

It is very difficult to read posts which are in capitals - and it is generally regarded as "netiquette" not to use capitals unless you need to emphasise a point - or "shout"!

This is an excellent forum - the bitchiness will often come from people who have been banned from Champdogs because they HAVE been nasty on line.

You have been given good advice- these people do know what they are talking about - sadly we can all be given a lot of "flannel" by people who purport to be experts but who actually have only read one page more in the book than we have ;) !

My advice to you would be to join the breed club(s) - national and regional if you have a regional one too - you will find people there who do know what they are talking about, and, once your little girl has had all her tests and is proved to be worthy of breeding (fingers crossed!!!) , they will know where the stud is that will best suit your lines.   Also - get hold of a copy of the Book of the Bitch, this is absolutely invaluable!

Don't give up on us - let us know how the testing goes - and others will benefit from your experiences of testing.

Kind regards
Margot

Oh dear, it's getting complicated I think, but Mucca joined the thread at 15.20 today, but is not Susanne the original poster. Mucca joined Champdogs on 1-10-2004, Susanne is a guest poster.:)

Dawn R.

whoops - I thought that "Guest" had joined!!!! - oh well - it's the end of a long, busy day!!

Advice still stands, though Mucca!!!

Margot

Think you all missunderstood AGAIN...not aiming being bitchy at you moonmadien
regarding my capital letters regarded as 'rude' like i said in the above post not heard of that before.(i felt it was sarcastic as Moonmadien never replied to the question i asked her)

However i don't need to be told anything regarding the breed that i own and their health issues i do my very best for my dogs and always will, i was stating the fact that the fee of MRI scanning is around the £500 mark which it is unless done by the above names mentioned.

you people sometimes come over as you think you know everything better than everyone else when that is not always the case - i like advice too, but not when it comes at you the wrong way....maybe you should cool down a bit in your replys instead of being so hard all the time  - you just scare guys away.

all my dogs are heart and eye tested and yes if MRI scanning can be done at that reduced rate i will be happy top go along with that too 'hence the 3/4 hour jouney & cost''

glad someone mentioned im not susan - thankyou..what makes you think im female ??? there you all go again!

i have spoken to a few people this evening regarding this and they all say you are lucky if you find the scanning any where less than £500 if not done by the scheme runner.

<<<<However i don't need to be told anything regarding the breed that i own and their health issues >>>
<<<<you people sometimes come over as you think you know everything better than everyone else when that is not always the case>>>
UMMMMM!!! Enough said
Archer

After 4 years owning cavaliers("the breed have been my life for the last 4 years"} I would have thought you would know everything there is to know Mucca , unlike myself only had them for 10 years & I am still learning. I only did two years research before buying my first one.

As for my other interests in dogs health does a degree in genetics mean anything ? or 46 years of owning GSDs & a mere 33 years of owning ISDS BCs obviously not. This is why I was at the seminar last weekend & lots more before that because I always thought owning dogs was a lifelong learning curve. I am obviously wrong & must just be thick not to have learnt everything there is to know about my breeds long long ago.

oh dear there you go again!! both being sarcastic - what i mean is i don't need to be told about the health issues i know and do want was is BEST for my dogs (which part of that do you not understand ????)beleive me.

yeh you do learn something new everyday...you take things the wrong way.....by saying i don't need to be told about health issues within the breed doesn't mean i THINK that i know it all, it just means im more than very aware with problems in the breed that i own - 4 years is a long time researching and reading about the breed on a daily basis, i do know alot of people in the cavalier world you know.... i live my life for my dogs ,,,,my life would be crap without my dogs.

how dare you Archer state ''say no more''!!!!! who do you think you are ? you dont know me and everyone who does know me - know how much care and love goes into my dogs they mean the world to me.

again back to what was said before you are very spiteful people look at your replys to a inocent question!...and i shall be reporting this thread to the administrators and see what they think!

Mucca
1st post I made....was a simple informative post concerning a question you  previously posted.It was not aggressive or impolite
2nd post....I simply took quotes from your own post to make a point.The 'enough said' is used where I come from as a statement meaning 'you've said it all...no need for ME to comment'

<<who do you think you are ? you dont know me and everyone who does know me - know how much care and love goes into my dogs they mean the world to me.>>

where I have ever questioned or even mentioned your love or raising of your dogs? I think you should read the posts more carefully and be careful who you acuse of what! I was unable to 'defend myself' last night since I was at work and so apologise to all lther members for restarting this thread

Archer

oh go away archer - you are getting boring now.....yawn yawn!

funny thing i have had about 3 private messages from other members ..saying most of you are all the same , think you know better than anyone and are always scaring guys away!!

If this board is so bad why are you still here?
Archer

come on let it go now...

Inca
I have made my last post on this subject...
Archer

Doesn't calling people boring contravene the "no personal attacks" section of the TOS?

i think its best just to leave it!!!!! boring isnt the worse thing to be called after all! ;)

Mucca, when i first joined this forum i thought some of the people were  a bit grizzly, BUT i could not of been more wrong.
Instead of throwing my dummy out i stayed around and saw that they are fantastic animal loving people, and there are some very very experienced dogy persons on here, which i have had some fantastic advise from which i value dearly.
Everyone is honest and very nice people, just because some people have different opinions on things it does not mean they are horrible, just honest.
Please give people a chance, especialy Archer you will be hard pushed to find any better advise.

Thankyou Claudia
Archer

Margot Mucca is not Susanne nor is Mucca the OP

Hi Mucca! Not using caps is general 'netiquette', not just here - this link might help!
:)

Have I missed something here...where was anybody bitchy to Mucca??
I simply answered a question.
Archer

Think after Mucca's last response, I'm done with this thread :(

I feel it is sad when someone comes on here, purports to ask a question - ie "where can I get an MRI scan cheaper than the price my vet has quoted" (I have not quoted verbatim) then, when the information is given, that person then pours scorn on the information given.  

Personally I don't think anyone was bitchy - I thought that everyone had been very patient, given information "nicely" - we'd been good :D - and I thought that we had a sensitive soul on board who did feel hard done by - I've now changed my opinion ;)

Margot

Especially when there was proof provided (politely!) about the general niceties of internet protocol, and that the advice about it (again given very politely!) is internet-wide, not just this Forum.

There is nothing wrong in asking if this test can be done cheaper lots of 'reputable' breeders whom you may know and those who will be ''botherd'' say they will get a MRI scan done specially if we can get it done at a reasonable cost.I was not having a go at Moon madien like i have already stated...Archer got the sarcastic remark in and that is what i was replying too and then suddenly it all kicks of - you lot thinking im some kind of puppy farmer - sorry to dissapoint you but you are far far from it..............gosh you lot have made me angry & upset tonight.

look how long it has took alot of breeders to even bother getting the other issues cleared,don't have a go at me for asking if i can get the MRI done cheaper at least i wan't my dogs to undergo this.

the people on champdogs are not the only people who want what is best for their animals you know - you lot really know how to upset people don't you!

for those of you have checked up on my other post's you will see i have given good advice!

i do not have to justfy myself to any of you.

don't feel as though you are supportive and you all get the wrong end of the stick and i will email Leigh to take a look at this.

thanks for your friendlyness!!!

How on earth can Archer's post be considered sarcastic? It was an honest, truthful, polite statement of fact, which was backed up by the link I provided. No hint of sarcasm at all!

And nobody has said anything that suggests 'puppy farmer' at all! Where are you getting all this from? I'm baffled.

Hi
yes i read the link 'after' you posted it, but it doesn't change that i thought Archer was being rude before hand does it ?

and by the time i had read the link, everyone had kicked off on one with other sarcastic comments so 1 thing led to another really didn't it..

look i say no more, the replys you left were not nicely helpful at all and i felt as though you were targeting me as some kind of alien who knows nothing about what she is saying and don't care about my dogs with all your quotes and stuff.

also if you look back i did say - sorry to Moon madien about the capital letters with a lol and a hug to her boy - im far from a nasty person people!

know I said I was butting out - but where was I sarcastic?  I apologised for mixing you (Mucca) up with the original poster - sorry I've been away for a few weeks and may have mised your other posts - but nothing was added in a sarcastic manner.

And now I AM butting out!

Margot (putting fingers in ears and singing lah-lah-lah and I'm not looking at this thread any more....)

Ok Margot so what do you call this ???? i never scourned anyone for giving me advice - my word how many times do i have to repeat myself!!!
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MARGOTS WORDS

feel it is sad when someone comes on here, purports to ask a question - ie "where can I get an MRI scan cheaper than the price my vet has quoted" (I have not quoted verbatim) then, when the information is given, that person then pours scorn on the information given.  

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don't feel sad on my behalf - please!

Anyway, both Susanne (the Original Poster) and you were both given good advice: the OP about breeding from her bitch, and you about the availablity and contacts for arranging scanning. Then the Forum members were accused out of the blue of being bitchy! IMHO only a robot wouldn't feel affronted at that.

Anyway, it's late. I'm going to bed.

Reading back i find this

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Margot again

My advice to you would be to join the breed club(s) - national and regional if you have a regional one too - you will find people there who do know what they are talking about, and, once your little girl has had all her tests and is proved to be worthy of breeding (fingers crossed!!!) , they will know where the stud is that will best suit your lines.   Also - get hold of a copy of the Book of the Bitch, this is absolutely invaluable!
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I never came on here asking for advice on breeding my bitch, ALL my dogs have had their heart and eyes tested thankyou very much, even males who i do not intend on breeding just show him as he has colitis very bad and i would not want this passed on to pups.........

the breeder of my bitch is very helpful as to reagrd what lines we put her too and who says im not a memeber of the breed club...there you go again making your own minds up before you even know the facts, my girl comes from fantastic lines and her stud has been chosen carefully over a long long period..

here i go again explaining myself - why ????

and as to the book of the bitch i bought that when i first thought about getting a bitch - see what i mean what the hell do you take me for.telling me to talk to peolpe who know what they are doing...see you ahve done exactly what i say you do....thinks everyone don't know nothing...my god my first cav was heart screened at 13 months old and he has never been used at stud and never will...but it don't mean i don't like peace of MIND""....

unbeleivable, so you think i know nothing............lol

so from what Margot has said above i think she was applying that i knew bugger all - my god i wonder if i have met you at any shows.....lol

I would suggest you re-read the posts Mucca, you will find that Margot was confusing posters when she posted in reply to you. She was replying to the original poster who was asking about a stud dog, which is why she gave the answer she did.

As for people being bitchy I think you will find that Margot, of all the people on here is the least likely to ever be bitchy to anyone.

Two or three people tried to advise you on both your original question and that posting in capitals is taken as shouting on the net.

Nothing kicked off until you yourslef started to accuse people on here of nastiness, at which point they were defending themselves, as they should quite rightly be allowed to do.

As for general bitchiness I think you will also find that this is one of the mildest boards on the internet,because of the moderators,  and if you find this one bitchy I would think it might be better if you gave up asking questions via the internet, as otherwise you will be upset and angry a lot of the time.

Please don't take this as being nasty as it isn't meant that way, just trying to explain that you got the wrong end of the stick. :-)

Do what I do now and type your message, re-read and re-read it again before posting, things are less lightly to be taken in the wrong vein like that.

Regards

Jayne

As for general bitchiness I think you will also find that this is one of the mildest boards on the internet,because of the moderators,  and if you find this one bitchy I would think it might be better if you gave up asking questions via the internet, as otherwise you will be upset and angry a lot of the time.

Please don't take this as being nasty as it isn't meant that way, just trying to explain that you got the wrong end of the stick.

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Sorry Jayne but i disagree with you there, im a memebr of a few boards and i have not come across any like this - i am being very honest!

i think we all got the wrong end of the stick, not just me.

Mucca,

<<<My advice to you would be to join the breed club(s) - national and regional if you have a regional one too - you will find people there who do know what they are talking about, and, once your little girl has had all her tests and is proved to be worthy of breeding (fingers crossed!!!) , they will know where the stud is that will best suit your lines.   Also - get hold of a copy of the Book of the Bitch, this is absolutely invaluable>>>

On reading this, it seems quite clear to me that the reply was not to yourself, but to Suzanne who asked the original question.

Granted, the posts do seem to have gone a little awol, but if read and interpreted correctly, each question appears to have been answered politely.

<<<and as to the book of the bitch i bought that when i first thought about getting a bitch - see what i mean what the hell do you take me for.telling me to talk to peolpe who know what they are doing...see you ahve done exactly what i say you do....thinks everyone don't know nothing...my god my first cav was heart screened at 13 months old and he has never been used at stud and never will...but it don't mean i don't like peace of MIND""....>>>

but maybe, just maybe, Suzanne, to whom this was directed, hasn't.

Kay

Mucca

I'm breaking my own rules here - but let me, once more, explain myself and I will try to do so clearly.

Firstly, the topic of this thead was BREEDING FROM YOUR BITCH.   The original poster was Guest who signed off as Susanne.   When you entered the discussion, I presumed, erroneously as I now appreciate, that "Guest Susanne" had registered, and was enlarging her question a Mucca.   I apologised for this mistake in my second post.   However, as I explained in my later post, I have been away and have not kept up to date on all new posters, did not recognise that you had posted, nor did I realise that you have already been giving advice - otherwise I would not have suggested Book of the Bitch etc etc etc.

From the scant information that there is in your details, I do not know whether I might have met you at a show or not - there you would have the advantage of me.

I have always tried to be welcoming to new members of CD and usually if I can't say nuffink nice, I'll say nowt.

No more to say.

Margot

Mucca I think some people myself included had initailly thought you were the original poster now registered, perhaps not having seen any earlier posts from you.  We cannot know what e4xperience the poster has, and whe4n asking something as basic about finding a stud dog, then advising buying a book on bitches and breeding was sound advice.  I am ssure no-one meant to offend anyone :D :D :D

I think we all got our wires crossed somewhere down the line!

i think we all know where we are now, don't you

im happy to call it a day on this one and hope you never mean't to hurt my feelings..lol

Nite,Nite All

sometimes because of how this board is set out,sometimes the posts dont appear where youd expect them too,so thats where confusion & upset can occur :) ;)

Dear Susanne, regarding looking for a stud dog you can e-mail me at mini_the_minx2004@hotmail.com thanks, Natz.