Has anyone heard of the affix 'Dreamcoat'?

Thanx :)

Looking at their stud book supplement registrations they mass breed long coated GSD's

Usually 10=15 litters per quarter & each bitch has the maximum number of litters

Some are x rayed & the scores range from low teens to high 40's +

I did read they had been visited & found not to have a breeders licence some time ago but they still register loads of puppies each quarter

As a GSD owner & trainer I would not buy a puppy from them but it's up to each person to choose

Oh my God! How the hell are they getting away with it? Where do they live? Has anyone ever had a pup from these people? Its expletive deleted disgusting.

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oops, sorry kids, thats me told!

Quite simple pay the registraion fees & advertize in the KC puppy lists etc

As so many people want long coated shepherds there's a ready market !

I think they are in London or the South East

Sad isn't it

I've friends who breed for the show ring but obviously not all the puppies will make it so as they breed sound mentally & phyysical dogs they also have dogs working & in pet homes & they sometimes have long coated puppies They do noy breed for one feature but for the whole dog That's why there are breed standards which people like the Dreamcoat & others ignore !

The KC will happily accept registrations from these mass producers of puppies but they won't be allowed to advertise on the KC Puppy List - this is now limited to breeders who register fewer than 4 litters a year. Not much of an improvement but better than nothing I suppose :-)

Jane

dear bear what is it that you know!!! i keed to know

YES I HAVE A PUPPY FROM THESE PEOPLE AND AM BEGINING TO THINK LIKE YOU,I KNOW WHO AND WHERE THEY ARE PLEASE GET IN TOUCH

Oh, I'm not looking for a pup (especially not from them!) I was just seeing if you know what I know. I used to own two Dreamcoats (Dreamcoat Maxi and Dreamcoat Lass). They still KC register all their pups (amazingly) and I you ever get the London 'Loot' paper - you will see they place an add in every issue with a cute puppy pic. People I know who have brought from them have either 'rescued them' or say 'it looked fine to me'.
It makes me mad.
I just wanted to see if they were always like they are now.
Thanx for the replies.

Dreamcoat's are based just of the M25, London way, in a London type Terraced house. (large type). They have puppies in each room of the house plus kennels to rear of house. A long time ago Dreamcoat was an affix to admire, but today, sadly it must be the money side of things because their standards are low. They also have "Pembroke" as an affix

Elmbridge

Yuck! They couldn't possibly sell puppies from their house, could they? Why would anyone want to buy a puppy from that sort of breeder?!
Quinn

A lot of people will buy a puppy from less than salubrious surroundings just to get it away from there.

I once had what seemed a very good home lined up for one of my puppies - a few days before they were due to collect it they rang to say they already had one - they had heard about these puppies in cramped and dirty conditions and decided to buy/rescue one of them instead of having one of mine 'cos "your's are obviously well looked after and will be happy staying with you" - how do you compete with that?

Christine

Can you please explain the statement 'couldnt sell puppys from their house' please ? I in no way endorse this breeder at all dont know them or anything about them, The only way to stop them is the KC registration dept ! but we all kmow that wont happen.. I only have a small number of Labs breeding only rarely & selectively these days but my pups are born in the house and are wonderfully socialised puppies. not all breeders live in mansions in acres of land.I currently have a new pup who is 7months now she was a kennel born pup and she has been the worse Ive ever had housetraining wise

I live in a 3 bed semi, with my family and four dogs, and breed a litter a calendar year. I would imagine MOST hobby/show BREEDERS live like us ordinary folk :D

Maybe I should marry a sugar daddy, and I could buy a kennels in the country with acres of own fenced l;and, with never a neighbour that minded sa dogs bark, ahh can dream can't I :)

`Quin Iam sorry but any time I would breed I would always raise the puppies in the house I believe they are more secure and loving if they are raised with a family I

Same here - all our puppies are raised in the house to ensure that they are well-socialised & familiar with household noises etc.

Jane

It must have been over 40 years ago that they were"respected"as I've been in shepherds over 40 years & never known them as anything other than puppies producers

The dogs in obedience usually only work the lower classes & never seen one in Working trials

There's also a Border Collie affix Forestglade or something like that that always has loads of puppies & it's not just the unknown affixes in Borders or GSD's Getting a copy of any of the stud book supplements is an eye openner

We have a GSd breeder near here who mated son to mother from a high HD scoring line & had the puppies on her website & she's a trustee of the national GSD helpline Someone must have said something as the litter has gone from the wbsite & no mention of it now ! The mother was brought to a local club to socialize & it attacked one of my dogs putting holes in his ears & tearing his fur from his neck Only "playing"of course!

See, this is exactly what I hate, these people who are giving all the other longcoat breeders a bad name, and giving the show people breeding 'the standard' something to preach about.
There are far too many of these idiots now, and I agree that if you only breed for coat length then you will get problems, HOWEVER, thats not to say that everyone should only breed the standard and the recessive longcoat should not be bred from. There is a demand for longcoats now as they are so attractive, this is a bugbear for the show people, and not just because of the health problems, but because of the competition. But it has got so out of control, and there are too many people out there that just don't care, they just want the money, and that makes me so sad. The show folk tar all long coat breeders with the same brush because of these greedy idiots, but PLEASE DON'T! I know one woman who breeds longcoats from only British lines, but she breeds for health and temperament as well as looks.
There has been no hip dysplasia in her line, no epilepsy, and no hyper, strung out dogs as are now being produced from some German lines.
This is not an invitation to start a big argument again on the standard v non standard issue, but I just get so sick and tired of people saying "if you are not going to breed to our Standard, then please expect problems".

I think Quinn2 was commenting on the set up within the house, and the fact that people still buy pups from 'that sort of house', not the fact that people breed pups in their homes

That was how I read Quinn's message as well. I don't think they were suggesting that you shouldn't buy puppies from a house.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Just to clarify........ I think it's great when puppies are raised in a home environment! :) I think it's the perfect way for a dog that is going to a pet home to start its life.

Having pets myself I know that there is a bit of an odour that goes with the territory. BUT there is doggy odour and there is DOGGY ODOUR that just about knocks you flat when the front door is opened because the breeders have multiple litters in every part of the house and can't possibly keep up with the inevitable mess.

Do you agree?

Quinn

PS
Thanks Joan ;)

Oh yes, when I have people coming to visit I wash all the puppies paws, as they can get quite stinky if they have been running around through piddle, especially if it has been raining. the first thing a picked up pup does is dap you on the face with its paw :D

I am always so aware of trying to keep on top of the smell, as more than one puppy can get a bit wiffy with the best will in the world, but the new owners won't necesarily realise that.:D

Anyone who has no HD in their lines is VERY lucky & they should pass on their secret to the GSd breeders who breed to the standard laid down by the SV

Actually they should pass it on the the SV as they do try to reduce HD in their dogs so to have a breeder who has no HD must be wonderful pity the dogs have a working fault ie Longcoatedness

I would hate to have a long coat in the work I do as they have little undercoat & when wet are soaked through untlike my standard coated dogs who never seem to feel the cold & are never soaked to the skin

A colleague tried a longcoat but had to retire him as he couldn't work when it was raining or freezing The undercoat keeps the dog warm & dry

Sorry to longcoat lovers but they really are not practical for full time 24/7 work I know the police have some but they don't work 24/7 & the move is away from gifted dogs to purpose bred by most forces

Hi Katie,

yeah I understand where you are coming from as a working point of view - however, some longcoats have double coats do they not? In fact, I think my cream boy has a double coat, as he never gets soaked right through and he seems to have a layer of thick, almost wooly type fur under his topcoat, is this a double coat?
My friend has a Shepherd longcoat from German show lines, she definetly has a double coat, as when she is out in the rain, she only gets wet on top, and it dries so quick.

Hi Near

They do have a double coat but the outer coat also retains moisture

Longcoats bred from longcoats eventually produce single coated dogs appanently it's part of the genetical make up those grom"correct"coats tend to have full undercoats

Mine leave so much hair around I', really glad they're not longcoats

We have a GSd breeder near here who mated son to mother from a high HD scoring line & had the puppies on her website & she's a trustee of the national GSD helpline Someone must have said something as the litter has gone from the wbsite & no mention of it now ! The mother was brought to a local club to socialize & it attacked one of my dogs putting holes in his ears & tearing his fur from his neck Only "playing"of course!

I'm assumning that you are referring to me with this statement?? In which case I suggest you retract your comments fairly fast. The accidental mating of son to motehr did occur were advertised on my site and are all sold and living happily in their homes. And to the mother biting your puppy, I'd be very surprised as Sky ahs never bitten another dog. Which club was this? and who are you? Whya re you making commetns about my breedign lines being high hipscoring? I suggest you check out eh hip scores of my dogs!

Pauline

yes have heard of dreamcoat and would love somone to get back to me if they have any pups breed from the dog dreamcoat vello.thanks a lot

I have a puppy - 6months old out of dreamcoat vello - and she is absolutely adorable.