so the food saga continues.................. Burns is high up on my list but does anybody know anything about Fromm and how the 2 foods compare?
Thanks
Van

Hi Van, there was a recent topic on this food, here's a link to it anyway, incase you can't see it!  Bit of discussion on it and I did a link to the vendors for the food in this country for Claire, the original poster!

HTH :)

thanks hth i will check it out now

Fromm is a brilliant food :D I would go with that before burns.

the name really puts me off! is it normal kibble?

Yes its normal kibble :D :D :D  looks just like any other complete food ;)  Fagan enjoyed his and I will probably put him on this.  If you are looking at ingredients quality though I believe burns would be better, my problem is Burns doesnt agree with Fagan at all so thats why im putting him on to Fromm and Arden Grange (he is a fussy sod)

The adult variety:

Ingredients:
Chicken, Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken Meal, Oat Flour, Wheat Flour, Whole Egg, Fish Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Brewers Rice, Beet Pulp, Wheat Germ Meal, Natural Flavors, Flaxseed, Dried Whey, Brewers Dried Yeast, Lecithin, Monosodium Phosphate, Salt, Potassium Chloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Carbonate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

I would not feed my dogs corn, wheat flour, beet pulp, whey, yeast, flaxseed.

This food is cereal heavy, ground corn, oat flour, wheat flour, brewers rice, wheat germ meal, flaxseed.

Flaxseed may cause itchies.

Dogs do not need added salt.

beet pulp is a filler

corn and wheat can be a problem with dogs intolerant of gluten.

whey is a milk product which may cause problems with some dogs who are lactose intolerant, it can produce gas, or dogs that are allergic to casein.

yeast can trigger yeast overgrowths.

But that is JMHO

There really is no comparison .............

Tohme
Hi, hope you are ok.
I just wondered how come you know so much about all the ingredients?  you must research really well and I think that is very important but you don't work for Burns do you :-)
I am really convinced to change to Burns but don't they have beet pulp in?
Also what do you think of Arden Grange?
Best Wishes
Van

I do not work for any food company and I feed raw so I have no vested interest in any commercial dog food company.

Only some varieties of Burns have SBP, you can avoid those.

Again AG is similar to a lot of other foods. Better than some worse than some.

Van

Beet pulp serves a purpose in dry foods and I do not consider it just to be a "cheap filler". The cost to a manufacturer of adding 5 % beet pulp pectin to a recipe would be far more expensive than increasing one of the existing ingredients to compensate. There are reasons for doing this.

I know of several quality foods that use beet pulp pectin or other forms of soluble fermentable fibre (e.g. chicory oligosaccharides, yeast cell walls, yucca extract). if it was just a cheap filler then this would seem to fly right in the face of conpany's such as Burns that claim to be 'natural'

It has been shown that these fermentable carbohydrates can modify the flora of the hind gut of dogs and cats so that several species of pathogenic bacteria are suppressed and beneficial bacteria are stimulated to growth. The results are that health, including gastro-intestinal health, is promoted. Risks of diarrhoea can be reduced and it seems general resistance to infection may be supported.

Every manufacturer has an obligation to list the ingredients on their food - check out the back of the bag or their website to find out what is in the food (although most only meet the statutory obligations).

I prefer to add FOS/fibre by natural addition of fruit and vegetables, bones, hide and skin; and nowhere on these bags does it say SBP pectin..............

By the way do you know the market price for SBP per tonne? :D

It does say Sugar Beet Pulp! A significant portion of fibre in beet pulp is in soluble forms such as pectin.

As for pricing, cost per tonne of raw materials is part of the economics within process manufacturing but not the only consideration! the addition of fruit and vegetables, bones, hide and skin might escalate production and stoarge costs somewhat to a food manufacturer. Been a while since I spent some time in an animal feed manufactung company so I would hate to guess the current cost of sugar beet pulp. My guess is it is still one of the cheapest sources!

I don't get hung up on beet pulp in Commercial Dry foods provided the company selling has a clear label.

Whan selecting a dry food you are always going to get lots of views on this one or that one. If I know whats in it, and I am happy with contents then I buy the food. If the dog does well on it then he stays on that food.