Can anyone help,i'm having problems feeding my 10 week ESS puppy. When I got him i fed him on James Wellbeloved but it went straight through him then on the advice of our local pet shop i tried him on Omega puppy food which he loves (or did untill today) but that ends up like chocolate mouse in the morning and chocolate milkshake by mid afternoon. I've now been advised to try Beta puppy food but i'm really worried about changing his food yet again but i know i have to do something. I did take him to the vets last week who gave him two injections, one being an antibiotic and i had to give him Kaolin(spelling uncertain!) which i did and that seemed to help for the first two days but that was all. I should add that when i first got him i alternated the JW with scambled egg and rice and that all went straight through aswell.

Please help iv'e got to sort this out but i'm stumped.

Jackie

Hi Jackie,

We had a very similar problem with our mal when he was about the same age as your little one.
He was on James Wellbeloved and then went off it when it went straight through him. We tried him on a few different types, but found that the best one was Warfcol as the protein content was slightly lower.
Shadow then got bored of the Warfcol and he now has Eukanuba (sp?) big puppy (also with a lower protein content), he's nearly 5 months old now and has been fine since we changed to those two types.
I hope this helps, let me know how he gets on! :)
Best wishes, Lou

Yes I agree, Eukanuba is really good, my CKCS used to have a sensitive stomach when he was younger and we switched to Eukanuba and had no problems after that. As a temporary measure you could try boiled rice and cooked chicken for a couple of days, that is very bland and would help settle is stomach down.

Lou & Louisdog

Thankyou,thankyou, thankyou - i'm off to the shops!:) i never thought i'd get to obsessed about dog poo, i even wake up thinking what i can do to sort him out! i'll let you know how he gets on - watch this space.

Good luck!

Try reducing the amount. You may find that the more you feed him, the less his body can absorb and make use of so the more is coming out as waste.

Christine

tripw tripe tripe! Its brilliant......must be proper stuff though, not tinned combination.

tripe! humm - would not exactly call it brilliant but the dogs certainly do enjoy it - especially whole - if you ever collect it fresh do ensure that the bucket(s) you bring it home in is stabilized and cannot fall over

Christine

Tripe - yuk i don't think i could cope with that! just to let you know i have bought some Eukanuba and have given Ike a feed (mixed with his other food) and so far so good.

Thanks for the advice
fingers crossed

Jackie:D

....and make sure your bucket doesn't have a hole in the bottom (Dear Liza!):D

Stinks the whole house out though doesn't it. YUK!!!!

No, the smell of fresh tripe is minimal - just don't cook it.

Christine

Agreed again Sam:-) If it's a big breed be very careful with Eukanuba

I used to get four or five full paunches from the abbatoir, and wash then in the bath. It did make a good conversation point for visitors, but alas after a while the domestic chat began to contain the word 'divorce' a lot.

PS - for those who don't feed tripe, never use the bleached butchers stuff. It has to be green.

Hi

We spent loads of money at the vets on our Rotti pup at about the same age because all foods caused upset. The breeder fed her Beta which I hate, so tried Hills, Eukanuba, JWB etc etc. In the end I mail ordered some Nutro puppy food. Put down a bowl full and she's never looked back.
Have also used it on a puppy in one of my litters who was ill from the time we weaned them. Once of Nutro she was well and went to a new home at 10 weeks.

For details try www.nutro.co.uk

hi thanks for that, i'm still mixing Ike's food with the Eukanuba but its still going straight through he doesn't seem to be ill at all, he's very bouncy and alert(which is more than i can say for me!)
anyway he goes for his 10week jab tonight so i'll see what the vet says i'm just concerned that there could be an underlying problem that i don't know about(getting very paranoid now!) anyway i will go to nutro website for a look.

Thanks

Jackie

I honestly believe you have to keep going until you find what is right for your particular pup. As long as you aren't changing their diets every few days ..give each change a week or two to find out what the effects are.

Hudson was on JW at first but it went straight through him as did a couple of other brands , but within a day of putting him onto Wafcol he was *solid* and less farty too :D

You will get there in the end ...fingers crossed for you

Melody with Hudson the Mal Thug

Thanks Melody, i know we'll get there in the end, I just worry because he is so thin though if I let him he would live off flower petals he has a facination for them:) if there arn't any on the ground he will go and pick them off the flowers, i'm having to take him into the garden on his lead to stop him eating things he souldn't!

Jackie

James Wellbeloved is great for adult dogs as has no preservatives however I too have experienced the same. Beta puppy is good and what most breeders recommend. Rice is normally great for firming up chocolate mousse my 6 month old always has 1 or 2 meals a week of rice and chicken for this very reason. Good luck

Hi, well i took Ike to the vets and she told me to put him on Eukanuba Vet for puppies with intestinal problems - the only problem is that he doesn't like it! I'm going round in circles and the poor dog is going to wonder whats going to appear in his bowl next which can't be good for him either. But i'm going to have to stick to this for now and try to get him to eat it. I used to have a yellow Lab and he just ate anything in fact he ate it so fast I don't think he ever tasted it! Is the problem I'm having with my Springer a typical springer thing? someone sugested that puppies weaned from their mums too early tend to have this problem has anyone heard of this?

scratching head

Jackie

Hi, have you tried giving him a well cooked scrambled egg- no fat or seasoning. If I have a dog who has a loose tummy, but is not actually poorly, I give them one day day for up to three days for breakfast and cooked, de-boned chicken and plain boiled rice for lunch and tea. Also it may be worth trying a cereal spoon full of live plain yoghurt on his food. Has your vet suggested anthing like Pro-Texin - a kaolin paste for loose tummies - its very good for short term use. Do you mind me asking, how many times has he been wormed and what with? Does the vet think its a food intolerance or a bug? Have you let the breeder know, she/he may be able to help. What did the breeder feed him on? Do you give him much milk? Sorry about all these questions - but you have got me interested now!! I dont wish to confuse by giving this advice, and you may wish to stick with the Eukanuba to see if it he starts to like it, but if he doesn't or his tummy doesn't improve it may be worth trying the chicken and rice.

Hi, scrambled egg, chicken, rice(didn't like that!) have tried them all and they went right through, the vet did give me some Kaolin to squirt in his mouth which did help for the first two out of the four days i had to give him it. He was wormed at six weeks and the vet did give him another tablet when he had his 10 week injection. This was the breeder's first litter and he gave them weetabix, mince and rice pudding (which i thought would have too much sugar, but then as you can see i don't really know much about all this). The vet thought it was probably that he hadn't got the bacteria right in his tum and she did actually suggest i try some live yoghurt which i am going to try as it might make him eat the Eukanuba as he doesn't like it. I wish you could see a picture of him, he is gorgeous.

Thank you for your help it is greatly appreciated:)

Jackie

Hi, I am sure he is beautiful and try not to worry too much, I am sure you and the vet will get it sorted out eventually. I'm sorry my ideas didn't work. Only other thing I can suggest is that you enquire with your vet about pro-biotics, as this looseness may be as a result of the AB injection he had, or may have contributed towards it ? They do give some puppies/dogs the squits(AB's) . Thats why I suggested the Pro-Texin, before as it contains pro-biotics to hopefully re-infect the gut with freindly bacteria. These are only suggestions and I dont wish to imply that I know as much as a vet. But I would keep on at your vet to find a solution as you dont want it going on too long. Do you soak his Eukanuba in hot water, and cool before feeding? If he will take it soaked it may be more gentle on his tummy and not dehydrate him at all.

Hi, my mal pup was on JW too, but he was loose, so we went on to pedigee complete, which firmed him up, but he went right off it.
He is now on Hill's Science plan (large breed puppy), and he loves it, never any food left in his bowl now, he eats the lot. I do occasionally give him tripe, bought already made up from petworld, you can cook it or not, I do cook it and like the others said it stinks the house out. But Storm loves it. :D

Jane:)

I think it is trail and error, finding the one that suits your puppy.

Westie lover & Jane, thanks for the replies I'm putting some live yoghurt on his food now which is making him eat but if things carry on like this i'll ask the vet about the pro-Texin. Going back to the live yogurt should I be giving him it at every meal time? i'm adding a tablespoon each meal is that about right?

Thanks

Jackie

I think a tablespoon may be a bit much - say a cereal spoon per meal - what does anyone else think? Is he eating well then? Is his tummy any better at all? hang on in there! :-) Have you seen Pemrouge's post on the "AB's and blood in stools thread?

Hiya I have just read this post. I only briefly scanned over
some of the comments. Have you thought that your dog
may be gluten intollerant. If so I think Eukanuba contains
wheat so you will not help his stomach by feeding any food
that contains wheat. His stomach sounds to me that it needs
a rest, it must be getting sore. Try not to swap one food to
the next, but I would not feed Eukanuba as I had the same
problem with my dog, we found out that he could not tolerate
gluten and changed his diet to Purina Pro Plan Lamb and Rice.
Which firmed him up within two days. It might not work but
again might be worth a try. Basically puppies are like our babies
and we do not feed them wheat based products for a start.
By keeping pups on a gluten free based diet you will find that
after a while you will be able to swap over to a wheat based
product and they are fine. The live yoghurt is a good idea but
if it does not work try a gluten free diet.
Nutkin

Hi, me again! Ike is getting a lot better we had to give up on the Eukanuba as he wouldn't touch it and we seem to have sorted him with Beta puppy and live yoghurt, well so far so good anyway:) I feel very guilty that we have had to give him so many different foods but hopefully thats him sorted, just need to stop him trying to eat the flowers (I think he just does it to wind me up!)

Thanks for all the advice

Jackie

Hi sorry to hear of your problems, have you considered a natural diet? raw meat etc, You will NEVER have a problem getting your dog to eat, and besides, imagine you were given dry cornflakes to eat every day, not very appertising is it? (sp?) I have been through what you are going through, and then some, and it all stopped the day I changed to BARF. I would be happy to help you get started.

Sarah

Have not read every post with care but I am concerened that this puppy may be having its food continualy changed - stick to one good quality food for at least 14 days without adding anything to the food and use the food for titbits, if you still have a problem let the vet do tests. Oh, and it is not unusual for a puppy to be 'loose' for up to 10 days or so in a new home and the food fed by the breeder should not be change until the pup has settled down in the new home. JH

Hi, sorry have been away from computer for a while (two teenage sons who continualy want taxied about, husband, garden and of course one very active puppy!) Well Ike appeared to be much better on the Beta puppy and live yogurt but today went back to square one with loose poo but i'm going to stick with it and hope its just a temporary hicup as i agree about changing his food so often, though he was like this when we brought him home from the breeder and we did feed him the same to begin with:)

I have been reading about the Barf feeding though it does seem like a lot of work but it may have to come to that eventualy.:D

Jackie

Hi Jackie it really isn`t that much extra work.Try it & see! The aim is to give a balanced diet over the dogs lifetime NOT a balanced meal every day.You cook for your family so you only have to do another plateful for your pup only you dont have to cook his! What could be easier?
Christine

Jackie. Gina the little extra effort put in to prepare is worth it ,you save so much work on the poo , no more disgusting soft stuff . no more stained ground. I only need to use bleach once a week just to keep the ground in the runs white, [i rinse thouroughly] twice weekly a quick swill with the hose cleans it perfectly before barfing the workload on four large dogs was very time consuming, lol marie

I'm sorry but I've got the giggles :D barfing to me means being sick and although I know what you're all talking about I smile everytime ;)
Sara x

Belive me SaraW if I tried to feed my dogs this way, that would be a good decription of how I'd be. :) Jackie H

Just my opinion but if you get no-where try NUTRO, I see someone else mentioned it on her, no additives and nasty things that can sometimes cause tummy upsets, I have been listening to people reccommend it for a few years now and now I have tried it theres no looking back.
Avoid tinned food with high moisture content and reduce treats as these can be rich in fat etc which also causes loose stools which is the reason I changed from EUK as it was high in fat but also high in additives :-(

Might alos be a 'bad batch' I had a sack of Beta couple of yrs back and the whole litter got the trots, friend of mine had bag from the same batch No and hers were the same, something to do with the way it is stored apparently.

ATB

Louise

Hi, just an update, Ike is much, much better I stuck to the Beta puppy with the live yogurt and things are great(apart from the fact i've spent much of today outside trying to get him to 'go' and he waits untill he gets in the house! - and the weather is awful, typical Lakedistrict rain:))

Thanks for all the advice

Jackie