Does anyone feed Chappie complete? If so could you list me the ingredients as on the bag please, plus protein and fibre content.
Thanks
Diane

Cereals (minimum 4% wholegrain); Derivitives of vegetable origin; meat and animal derivitives (minimum 4% chicken); oils and fats; minerals. With antioxidants butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) and butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA). With preservative potassium sorbate.

Protein 20%; oils 7%; ash 6.5%; fibre 4.0%; Vitamin A 4000 Iu/kg; Vitamin D 400 Iu/kg; Vitamin E 40 mg/kg; Copper 10mg/kg as copper sulphate.

Thank you
Diane

Why do they make a point of saying Minimum 4% chicken??????????? whats the significants???
It does on the food I feed my dogs.
Lea :)

I suppose they mention the chicken quantity because those quantites are taken from their "Complete with chicken" variety, not their Original or Working.
:)

This one is a working food!!!!!!! And still says 4% chicken!!!!!
Lea :)

Sounds like your food is similar to Chappie, then! At the moment £10.99 for 17kg. (The Working variety is a tad cheaper because it's VAT free.)
:)

think about it this way if the label said max 4% chicken would you buy it The law allows firms to advertise a food as Chicken and rice
if it contains a certain % of the name of the food hence min 4% chicken . any half decent company selling a food Called Chicken and rice would tell you the correct amount of chicken .

If it said max 4% chicken (or anything) it needn't have any at all! If it says min 4% chicken, then it can have 80% chicken and still be true!

Yuk,the ingredients in this food are terrible! Not to mention BHT  and BHA which are  known cancer causing presrvative and animal derivatives.....must be something pretty gross if they cant even print what exactly it is on the bag :(

When are pet food companies going to wake up and put the health of pets before profit,unfortunately if people keep buying pet foods like chappie then they will keep churning it out :( I would much rather line the pockets of a holistic company who put pets before profit.

Chappie is actually quite a good food Qzzie tbh. Not as good as some, but better than most.

Why dont you start up your own Dog food brand if it riles you up that much? :D

Gonzo i have tried,believe me!!
But unfortunately our customs and quarantine make life so very hard for people who want to start their own business,it's just not worth the hassle. A friend of mine ordered dog leashes from Britain,they were mainly made out of fabric BUT because they had teeny,tiny fibres of leather through them customs ended up destroying them all,cost him thousands!

I have looked into each and every way into doing this,but too many roadblocks are put up,including mammoth financial ones.Australia sucks when it comes to pet food,which is why it does RILE me up so much when i hear of people feeding inferior foods when you all in Britain have so many more natural pet foods to choose from,you'll dont need to shop in grocery stores to buy dog food as you have so many better choices!You all dont know how lucky you have got it when it comes to pet foods.

Judging by chappies ingredients i would dread to see the contents of worse foods. If you lived over here you would understand where i am coming from.

Chappie is one of the few foods that vets recommend, and they don't sell - and all the dogs I know that are fed on it thrive and live long lives so I'm perfectly happy.

I seem to remember learning the exports of Australia when I was at school, and meat was definitely among them. Can't you use Australian products to set up your own company? Then you won't need to worry about the customs side of it. If things are as dire as you say, you should make a fortune!

I think it is the tins of Chappie that vets recommend, not the dried variety.  I know when a friend had a dog who had been very ill with bloat, the vet recommended tins of Chappie Chicken and Rice as being the same as the veterinary tins of special diet food - but a hell of a lot cheaper.  The dog had no further ill effects for the rest of his life, either. 

It's not just the customs side of it,it is actually harder to set up a "small" business than it is to apply and pay for the permits etc. which can take anything up to 1-2 years.
I mentioned in another post about a lady that wanted to import Burns,but our customs wanted her to fund a trip for one of their guys to check out the Burns factory in Britain,yeah right! They seem to change their rules for different people.

Some people might think that  i sometimes lose the plot when it comes to canine nutrition,i must admit,i do :rolleyes: but only because you have so much choice of great foods.I am so jealous! I would be like a kid in a candy store over there,i think i would faint if i could be let loose in the american pet food market :D

Jeangenie,you are right,i would make a killing,but only after i dragged the pet owning public into the 21st century,on top of everything else the ozzies are extremely uneducated when it comes to the diet of canines,the supermarket isles are rife with people pushing trolleys with home brand dog food in them AAAARRRGGGHH!!

Please dont ever take furgranted the great variety you have :)

Most dog food companies have vets on their pay role as advisers so to say a food is recommended by vets is not worth much.   Besides the blurb on the bag is" trusted by vets"Chappie is a cheep food made with cheep ingredients the packing probably cost more than the contents .The advertising Is aimed at people who like ready meals and care little about what's in the food.
And will always be the way. A recent example of this is the Bakers advert where the dogs are performing a robbery in a bid to steel thier "wonderful" Dog food. This advert is high on cleverness but dose not mention ingredients .Its simply aimed at human gullibility.
They will remember the advert and the name will stick in the mind and therefore will buy it based on a clever advert rather than what's in it .
Also Chappie is owned by the mars group who also own pedigree

Chappie complete ingredients listed by highest ingredient  first 
Cereals (min 4% whole grain) derivatives of vegetable, meat and animal derivatives (min 4% chicken) oils fats minerals .contains EEC permitted antioxidants.

Pedigree complete

Cereals, meat and animals derivatives vegetable protein extracts, oils and fats derivatives of vegetable origin, mineral, vegetables 
Spot the difference
same ingredients just a differant mix all made by the same company
years ago i worked for a company making cakes one day the cakes would be boxed for one high street suppermarket the next day the box would  be change and the cakes would be boxed up under a differant brand . same cake differant box ,it still gos on -jo     

I'm afraid my concience wouldnt allow me to feed something that had "derivatives" in it lettalone all that other stuff that the companies are to ashamed to print on their bags,if they were proud of what their product contained then they would be more than happy to make it public knowledge,but they know if they actually printed exactly what was in their food then no person in their right mind would buy it,wether my dogs were superstars on it or "did well" somethings gotta give sooner or later,what most people "save" on dog foods usually goes out on vet bills,but they never make the connection. Our pets food/health is something that should not be compromised or skimped on,ever!
The company who makes the dry food i feed dont even advertise,they have a informative site and the rest is by word of mouth,they would rather put their money into the quality of the product then blow it all on slick advertising,it really insults me that some of these dog food companies think the public are so gullible that they buy into every word they say on their multi million dollar adds!

If i cant eat it than neither can my dogs,if it aint good enough for me then it isnt good enough for them!If the food is cheap then the ingredients are even cheaper,you cannot make first class products from second class ingredients.

Gravy, stock, that jelly that forms under a cooling roast chicken are these not meat derivatives?  My dog thinks they are all scrummy :)

isabel i think we have all ready sused that you would feed your dogs anything, not a personal attack by the way just an observation.but you are right about derivatives however so are feet, beaks and other leftover bits but we should have the right to know and until manufactors list exactly whats in IT  i too would avoid anything with animal derivatives in it After all if they can spend a fortune on advertising it cant be to much to ask that they tell us whats in the food, but they wont for one simple reason if they did most sane people would be stop buying it. As a Gerald Rattner once said "How can we sell it so cheep ,I will tell you why, its cr*p".

My dogs ate with relish an entire woodpigeon the other day - beak, feet, feathers and all. To a dog these bits aren't 'left over' - they're part of the whole. :)

Exactly JG mine when given the opportunity polish off everything they are not fussy.

By the way I made up two champions whilst feeding Chappie Complete, it suits my dogs and they like it, they do very well on it including the oldies who I have lost in the past year at ripe old ages, it certainly didn't affect them badly.

J 

Yes and if you take a look at his stools you will find that those bits have passed Straight trough him without being digested because a dogs system  cannot break down thease Pieces quickly enough and  gain any benefits from this part of his pray so these parts become a waste product the dogs body will reject  . IN the commercial dog food industries these parts are ground down to fine grit and put in to the food it's that simple .my dog once eat a carrier bag it came out the other end undigested.a waste product so we. are forcing dogs to eat parts that in nature would be rejected by the dogs digestive system !

I go by results, not by anything else.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

My dogs have been on Chappie for a lot of years now and it suits them, I did actually try them on Pedigree Complete which didn't suit them, so cannot for the life of me see how they are the same food in different bags.

Sorry what results?
and both chappie and ped use the same ingredentss just in a differant mix it says so on the bag if you  were not happy with chappie what prompted you to try ped, after all if it wasn't broken!!!

the results I get by feeding my dogs Chappie Complete.

They are fit healthy and happy with good coats, and whilst they stay that way I cannot see a need to condemn the food they are eating.

I must remember to tell my lot spit out the wrong things Isabel.

I decided to try Pedigree after rearing my last litter on their complete, to see if it made any improvements to the adult dogs. But don't understand why I should explain my actions to you.

Likewise, Lady Dazzle. My dogs seem to live well into their teens, with only annual 'MOTs' from the vet, and treatment for the occasional injury. Their health is better than mine!

I would be astonished if any creature could digest a plastic carrier bag! Plastic is not biodegradable. You were very fortunate that your dog wasn't as seriously ill as one of mine was when she swallowed some clingfilm. If everything all animals ate was digestible they would never poo - but like us, a dog needs fibre/roughage to help keep everything moving along and avoid certain health problems. Grinding feathers up small doesn't make them any more digestible than if they are whole, just like very fine-ground bran is equally indigestible as the coarser stuff. However, feathers are protein, whereas bran has no nutrients.

Can't believe your dogs forgot to spit out the feet and beak, Jeangenie ;)

I know, Isabel. Careless of them, wasn't it? ;)

Now you should know you should have trained them better JG!!!!! ;-)

Maybe I should add that to my puppy list when I sell one.  Always teach your pup to spit out feet, feathers and beaks.

if only we could train humans to feed dogs a proper diet based on the animals true needs and not the comercial needs of big business

What - like the beaks, feathers and feet they choose to eat naturally?
:)

Erm are we not allowed free choice anymore

I think it depends what that choice might be! ;) Wasn't it Henry Ford who was reputed to have said "You can have any colour car you want, as long as it's black"?

Satincollie,

That is so true. :D

If people WANT to research the food they're frrding their dogs, its all there to see. Why people try to put a spanner in the works of what people feed is beyond me. It all quite snobbish. As many people before me have said on the board, if it suits you and your dog, why change. Its so true :)

  Jo                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Just out of interest.  What do you base your opinions on?  Is it experience or just book or leaflet reading or does your Trophy rep have the gift of the gab and is a good salesman? :-)

Another thought aren't they in the business of dog food to make a profit, cos if they aren't they won't be selling food for long.

Nothing to do with the trophy salesman I afraid. Just since I retired I have probably to much time on my hands.
But I have yet to meet a Chappie sales advisor next time I am in pets at home I will ask to speak to him/her. In the mean time i research the web (i think we are called silver surfers ). This site one of the best always good for open minded people to make comment  Going back to the Trophy chap making money There's making a living for ones family  and making profits for shareholders  i do like  the way Trophy operate and  i do have questions over thier antioxidants but compared to other issues this is I feel a minor one. but please feel free to debate -Jo   

You sussed right, Jo, I'll feed any old rubbish to my lot just so long as they live a long, happy, healthy active live, I suppose I even like the company to make a profit after all not much use to my dogs if they went out of business.

Tsk tsk! Think of all that stress you're denying yourself, wondering if the perfect wonder diet that suits all dogs is out there after all. You sound as if you actually enjoy your dogs, rather than constantly trying for perfection. ;)

:) I don't actually feed Chappie Complete as it happens, although I have used the tins in the past (and excellent it is for the delicate tummy) but do you know, if I wasn't entirely satisfied with our current feed I reckon I would definately give it a go :)

I thought BHA and BHT were a antioxidants rather than a preservative. I didn't think the levels of BHA and BHT in dog food were known to cause cancer. I understood that some studies had even indicated that BHA at moderate levels in the diet may have a protective effect against certain colon, liver, lung and skin cancers.

I'm pretty convinced that my diet is higher in BHA/BHT levels per Kg of body weight than my dogs diet. Then again I'm not the helathiest of eaters.

I do tend to steer clear of dog foods with ethoxyquin used as an antioxidant based on the research out there. Not that familiar with Chappie though.

Oh my gosh! I cant believe how some of you are taking this subject so lightly and with a grain of salt,nutrition is the foundation of good health which should always be taken seriously.
As for dogs eating the beaks,feathers etc. of a wild bird,there is no conceivable way you can compare a fresh bird to the gunk slopped into cheap foods for the SOLE purpose of filling said food out so they can put less meat in.
Someone asked Jo how she comes up with her ideas,i cant speak for her but for me it is plain common sense and a deep caring and understanding of what a canine should eat and thrive on rather than what he can just "survive" on.Dogs can survive on just about anything we toss into their food bowls,but i would imagine that most would want their dogs to thrive rather than just survive.

I know i wouldnt serve up meat derivatives mixed with some by-product ,  roadkill,peanut hulls and off mouldy grain with a good dollop of bha/bht and ethoxiquin up to my children nor would i ever consider serving such unmentionables to my beloved dogs.
I once won 1 years worth of free pedigree at a dog show,which i promptly donated to the dog shelter,like i said i dont have the concience to feed my dogs anything that would make most people cringe with disgust.

The old adage of "IF IT AINT BROKE THEN DONT FIX IT"still keeps coming up! This saying applies to many things but diet isnt one of them.By the time somethings broken,the body has been struggling for a long time.It's difficult to repair the damage and sometimes,simply not possible.
Surely the people who feed (most) supermarket brands  must wonder why the manufacture does everything in it's power to conceal what's in it's food???? I think it was isabel who mentioned the chicken drippings,yes my dogs love it as well and so do i BUT like i said earlier you cannot compare the fresh foods we eat to what is in a processed bag or tin,it makes no sense at all!

I really hope this discussion can remain civil and educated as it has been thus far as i think i will scream if i see another padlock put a roadblock infront of a thread that many people can learn from and contribute too.There will always be the few close minded folk who know best and refuse to be educated,not for themselves but for the sake of their dogs,to them i say good luck :) Remember that a lot of guilty concienses hide behing humour,yes i see you ;) :D

Best wishes

christine

As a person who has not only fed roadkill animals (if not entirely squished and unpeelable off the tarmac!) to her dogs, and even, when I've hit it myself and know how fresh it is, eaten it myself (no lead shot - much safer on the the teeth!), we will have to agree to disagree on this, Christine!
:)

<<<<<<<<The old adage of "IF IT AINT BROKE THEN DONT FIX IT"still keeps coming up! This saying applies to many things but diet isnt one of them.By the time somethings broken,the body has been struggling for a long time.It's difficult to repair the damage and sometimes,simply not possible.>>>>>>>>>>>>
But thats what people are saying. As long as the dog is HEALTHY and energetic, and no health problems everything a dog should be, on what ever food we decided to feed them, why fix it?????? As has been said before. I know plenty of dogs that have been fed 'cheap' food. A working collie I used to look after lived until 19 years old still working up until about 17. Now you cant say his food caused him to die young can you, even tho he was fed on {shock horror} cheap working food???????? And that just one example of many I could tell you.
Lea :)

You're banging your head against a brick wall, I'm afraid Lea. There are people who simply can't accept that dogs can thrive (yes, thrive, not just 'survive') on many different diets. Just like people - I know several people who are ill if they eat bread, no matter how organic or holistic it might be. Likewise I know a few dogs for whom more than a tiny quantity of meat gives the runs. Fed on the supposedly 'perfect' raw meat diet they would become seriously ill.

Why cannot people accept that there are millions of dogs who are extremely well on commercial foods? Why do they take such delight in trying to upset their owners and cause them unnecessary worry?

And by the same token there are as many million dogs suffering ill health, an awful lot of which is caused by poor nutrition.....
*on many different diets. * What exactly is the difference between these complete/all in one diets tho, leaving aside the organic no chemical ones?

BHT/BHA are synthetic chemical preservatives.

http://www.nzymes.com/Articles/pet_foods_whats_really_in_them.htm

Christine, Spain.

JG i have never said there is anything wrong with feeding commercial foods,it's just that why feed bottom of the barrel stuff when you have so much better choices to choose from??? You feel like your'e banging your head up against the wall,well same here! I just cant see the argument here,cheap foodsVholistic whole food kibble! These are a few of the ingredients in the kibble i feed,just to give you an idea on what a decent dry food should consist of:Turkey,chicken,barley,brown rice,potatoes,chicken fat,herring,apples,carrots,cottage cheese,sunflower oil,alfalfa sprouts,eggs,garlic these are followed by massivingly long words to do with acidophilus of every kind as well as VitC-E and fatty acids,ofcourse this one food may not suit all dogs but there are plenty more similar brands to choose from such as eaglepack or fromm family gold www.postalpets.co.uk  these 2 have similar ingredients.The company that makes my food has now brought out another brand with similar ingredients as above but with absolutely no grain,these people truly do care what our pets eat :)

JG i would not reccomend feeding raw meat to a dog with a compromised immune system or a fiddly tummy,i know alot of raw fed dogs or homecooked ones that have gone through a bad month or so of detox,this is the bodies way of purging out all the years of less than perfect food,the more time a dog is fed on inferior foods the longer the detox time,some dogs change over with no probs,like mine did.

After reading the link Christine posted,people still choose to feed dog foods with terrible ingredients,then my thoughts of them are unprintable. It seems alot of people,not singling anyone here out,are on an ego trip and they enjoy saying i've fed x brand of food for so many years and my dogs do ggggrrreat!!!! And no-ones going to make ME feel guilty and dig their heels in even deeper which is an extremely small minded attitude.
JG i'm hoping to put the seed of doubt and worry into peoples minds who dont know any better and hopefully they will go out and educate themselves in the right direction.

Gonzo i'm sorry if i made you feed like a low person that was not my intention at all,i am not talking dollar values ,there is no snobbery here.If feeding a good quality food makes me a snob in your eyes then so be it! But please lets not get into a debate on snobbery,the outcome may not be pleasant,if you know what i mean???? :o

Christine, you say the kibble you give contains barley and rice. There are people on here who think that is totally wrong! That grains should never be fed to dogs! So, you see, in some people's opinion what you feed is no better than what I, or others, feed. The point is, what suits one dog doesn't suit another. If your dogs are healthy on what you choose to feed, and mine are healthy (and don't tell me they're not, because you've never met them) on what I choose to feed, then I can't see a problem.

I had a shepherd friend who fed his dogs on tinned chappie & complete cahppie for years , his dogs always looked well & were certainly up to their work. They lived long healthy lives & all reached their late teens-three out living him by 10 years

One man's meat is another's poison

I agree with you JG if isnt broken why fix it

This from a web site  about the long term benifits of better drugs and feeding habits. some  dogs will live long lives due to genetics others need all the help we can give them -JO ********** "The development of many serious diseases is possible to be interrupted by means of drugs and special diets in case if they are diagnosed timely. In civilized world dogs live longer because preventive measures of many diseases have become customary for the owners who come to know more about them and feel more responsible for their charges. The best remedies in the last decade - the more effective antibiotics, new anti-inflammatory and cardiac medicines - save animals' lives every day. Veterinaries say dogs now live longer because of high-quality feeding and timely treatment. "

(MSU, Biology faculture, Dep. zoology and ecology).