thankyou but could i please withdraw my question about a dog carrier for my chi. i use the carrier to conceal him when i go in to town and shops dont appreciate dogs walking with owners.when in shops. he walks everywhere otherwise . and this includes a long evening walk with my two g.s.d. i only want it for e.g. to take him into places where i need to go, but dont want to make a big show of it. i never expected this response.  forget i mentioned it. thankyou.....

JG is not a mind reader - if you had put this in the first place she wouldn't have needed to ask! Why don't you just join and respond that way...you can't judge a whole site on one post that asks a question! :)

So what you are basically saying is that you want to covertly take a dog in to places which ban dogs rather than leaving the dog at home like everyone else.....................?

And whats wrong with that? The dog will be off the floor and not interfering and as long as its nto a place with food I don't see a problem?

Guest, have a look at http://www.marlinpetproducts.com, click on portable pet carriers and they show a Chi in the smallest one.

I personally don't think well-trained dogs should be banned from anywhere, but if they are banned, then they shouldn't be smuggled in ...

The poster is saying they may take the dog into a shop in a carrier - I cannot think of one shop that would complain about that apart from maybe a food shop? Can we not cut them some slack? Folk shouldn't leave dogs home alone and shouldn't take them with them in a carrier - what are they supposed to do? :)

Maybe the proprieter has a dog allergy? ;)

Do you mean Chloe that we only need obey rules we cannot find ways around?

Regards, John

Did I say anything about disobeying rules? Did the poster? Maybe I am missing something but the poster said "conceal" - perhaps they had every intention of asking if it is OK to bring a dog in whilst the dog is in a carrier? Thats what I would do.

I think you will find that lots of shops which display a no dogs notice are quite OK with dogs being in carriers!   (Harrods for instance).  Even my local "minimarket" is fine with Puglet coming in with me in her carrier, and she has also been to B&Q, a copule of garden centres, and some other local shops.  In a carrier there is no danger of the dog coming inot contact with stock, other customers, or a "little accident" happening on the floor.  Guest, while the Marlin carriers are nice, comfy for the dog, and well made, they are quite obviously a dog carrier, however both www.petloondon.com and www.petpavilion.com have some very cute bag type carriers.
bye
Gwen

I have never yet seen a notice on a shop door saying "No Dogs Except Guide Dogs And Dogs In Carriers". We seem to live in a society these days where everything is OK as long as you dont get caught.

Oh for goodness sake - its hardly a crime now is it. All the poster has to do is to ASK if its ok to bring the dog in whilst the dog is in a carrier :rolleyes:

As I said in the joke post, if the dog's owner has the shop proprietor's permission, why does the dog need to be 'concealed'? Why not just pick it up and carry it?

Why not ask the poster and not me? No wonder this site has such a bad reputation - honestly, can we not give folk the benefit of the doubt?

Why not ask the poster, you say? Look what happens when I did ask the poster an innocent question! I'm not falling for that one again!

Wow, Gwen, I never knew a copule was the collective terms for garden centres ;)

Lovelylady,
Little dogs in carriers can't really be more of a risk to allergy suffers than just passing them in the street or sitting on the same bus as them can they?

The other post asks for a carrier for a labrador, which rather made the question look as if it was a joke or bit of humour??

its not very thoughtful though is it . shops are for everyone to go into this includes those with allergies and people who are scared of dogs for various reasons . i too have never seen a shop window that says dogs in carriers only .

No, neither have I, but being able to talk, I ask when I have Puglet with me!  Either in her carrier, or being carried, most shops are perfectly amenable to her entering with me, so i see no reason why the situation would be different for the guest poster.  Years and years ago (when I was at school) my Mum used to take her Yorkie all over with her, in a whicker basket with a cover on it, he often pocked his head out, but as long as he stayed in the basket no one ever minded him being present.  i know the guest suggested she used the carrier to conceal the dog, but perhaps  has never thought of asking shop people permission in the past!

I know a lot of people on here have big, country type dogs, and would never consider taking them to places such as shops, but some people have very urban dogs, and lots of tiny toy breed are a lot safer in a carrier in busy situations.  I, for one, would much rather see a dog taken out and about in a carrier than left in a car while the owner shops!

I cant understand why such an innocent , inoffensive query has caused such furore!  Perhaps we should remember that people have varied lifelstyle, as do their dogs.

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Gwen

I think there is some confusion here... someone has posted for a carrier for a lab, and it is that thread that has provoked all of the comments.

Years ago dogs used to be allowed in all sorts of places, it was common to see them in food shops and yes inconsiderate owners did allow then to cock their legs anywhere, which is probably why rules were changed.
Personally I have no problems with dogs being allowed in shops, looking at some of the people you see in them I reckon dogs are less of a hygeine risk, but rules state that they aren't allowed and buying a carrier to conceal a dog does sound like this person isn't prepared to ask.

I have often found that whilst waiting patiently outside many shops for my husband,book shops,car part shops etc.(not food shops,he rarely goes into them :D ) I have been approached by shop assistants and told "Bring her in if you like", which I have found very nice of those concerned.Spice has been into lots of shops,with permission,her favourite of course are pet shops :D

However I would not be able or choose to use a carrier,she is a border collie and it takes all my strength to lift her in and out of the car sometimes,where she is not able to jump in or out safely.

As to the allergy point someone made regarding dogs,what about the perfume counters in department stores that my poor husband has to pass,eyes watering and sneezing,so that he can access the other departments he wants,no-one gives a thought to his discomfort as lots of these stores place the smelliest counters right by the main entrances!

I think we could afford more freedom to our dogs in shopping areas,they could enforce fines or even exclude those owners whose dogs behave inappropriately,just as they remove drunks or unruly groups of people at times.

But whilst there are laws or requests stating NO DOGS then I will obey such.

Jacqueline :)

On the rare occasion my OH comes shopping with me he can't go near perfume counters either!!
Just can't understand why some people think that notices/rules etc. apply to everyone else but not them. If it says "No dogs" it means "no dogs". Unfortunately not everyone is a responsible (or hygenic) dog owner & they are mainly the ones who have caused the anti-dog movement.
No smoking" means no smoking - not it's OK to have a couple of quick drags on your fag! And disabled parking - don't get me going !

The lab thread was posted after this one - probably as a mick-take for all the comments on here.

When you are in european countries dogs are in all the shops and restaurants, I don't see why we are so hung up about it here.  I even passed a hairdressers in one country where the dogs was laying down by the owners chair while she was having her hair done.

Before you all jump, I know that is not here, but honestly a tiny dog being carried into a shop is doing no harm, as for the allergy debate then if you allow guide dogs then there is no argument to it, or are they exempt from producing what ever a dog produces to cause an allergic reaction.

The poster put up a reasonable question asking if anyone knew where she could get a small pet carrier that was light enough to carry around, the thread appears to have go rather out of hand.

JMHO Sandra

Yes, it was a reasonable post by a guest, there was an innocent, genuine question asked in reply which appears to have been completely misinterpreted (that'll teach me to try to get all the facts before I answer posts), and another thread, in an entirely different manner, was started. If only all the facts had been given in the first place!

Yes, and wasn't that what I put in the first post I responded to - and then, in an effort to give the guest the benefit of the doubt was I not accused of rule breaking?

some times " no dogs" dosent though?
ive being in plenty of shops that have no dog signs,that dont have a strict policy,just a sign thats been there donkeys years!
id like to ban  screaming kids from my shop & demand that their parents leave them out in the rain, as they drop their food/drink all over the floor,leave sticky fingerprints over everything & break stuff & SCREAM & cry & their parents have no control over them! sometimes they WEE on the floor & their parents dont even wipe it up! id like to ban them  but think it might effect trade,so i dont!
all dogs are very welcome!

michelled - I agree totally!!  Ban all screaming tantrum throwing kids from shops/restaurants/pubs and public transport - a thought I've had on many an occassion being in the unfortunate position of sitting next to them!!!

well said!   Whilst I'm not anti-children, I am anti-screaming-spoilt-tantrum-throwing kids who are getting to be more too common.   I would love to hear of a really valid reason why dogs aren't allowed in so many places and why kids are - especially if they drop crisps, ice cream etc on the floor.   

they always want to touch me!!!!! i try to give off bad vibes,but they still want to touch me!!! thats not normal behavior is it!!??
also,why do the parents expect me to talk to their kids??????????????????????????????????????????

Calm down dear .....they are only mini people ..without them there would be no human race ;) :D

i dont mind them,just dont want them touching me with their sticky juice covered fingers ,& snotty noses! anything thats born without fur all over,cant be right!-although some sensible pareants buy those "doggy" babygrows complete with ears!-thats improves them ALOT!

LOL! I love babies :) All babies. I'm a "give me your baby to cuddle right now" kinda gal

I have to be honest ..I only like my own babies :D :D Can't stand other peoples ankle biters :p :p

Hi,

Me too,love babies probably why im expecting my 5th,however i agree i can't stand spoilt children and some are just sooooo rude,i would be ashamed if mine came out and said some of the things we hear.
I expect all my dogs to have good manners and behave in and out I expect the same of my children with no exception :-D

I might seem firm or I 've even been accused of being snobby because i like my children to speak properly ,keep clean tissues on them and always remember their manners and hold doors etc for other people,to be thats not snobby thats just good manners.My 2 yr old puts his hans over his mouth when he coughs to be normal others let their children cough and splutter all over and some children table manners leave alot to be desired my dogs are better :-D
The children ask to leave the table,how manty young children cannot use a knife and fork properly watch them when they eat peas,im proud I can take mine out to dinner and not show us up.

However even mine can throw their tatrums on occasions and its dealt with fairly,calmly and firmly.

Briony dogs are quicker to train :-D

A friend told me recently that her 7 year old daughter had a friend from school round to tea. The child walked into the house, picked up the telephone and rang her mother - not a word of 'May I' ? or 'Thank you' :( :(

Daisy

our WHsmiths is a "no dogs" sign shop as they all are,yet the manager is more than happy to let them in,but the sign stays up as per company policy!
cool!

What about having a sign saying "well behaved children only allowed"

oh once i saw a great sign
"all unaccompied childern will be captured & sold into slavery"
how cool is that!!!

lol - we could turn this around nation-wide, allow well-behaved dogs into shops and keep the badly behaved children out!!!  Could they still be tied up outside while the parents go in?!?!

Hayley - a not very maternal kind of gal!!!  ;-)  :D

theres a betting shop two doors down from me-& dogs arent allowed in there! totally stupid!!!!!!

It's a pity that it doesn't ban humans as well :D

Daisy

its a right eye opener,all sorts of people go in there! it hasent been open long! i cant believe all the posh people that go in there!

Actually I can understand it - look at it this way, two unsocialised dogs in a confined and crowded space - and BANG!!!  You've got a dog fight on your hands - ban all dogs, and you don't have the problem.....

It's by not taking dogs everywhere that leads to their being unsocialised! If they were accepted in more places there are likely to be fewer squabbles ...

are you totaly sure your right there ?

I agree with Jeangenie, if we took our dogs with us not only would they be more socialised but possibly more socially accepted. Most people who dont like dogs either a) have never been close to a dog, b) have had a bad experience (a one off) or c) mummy says stay away from the doggy it might bite!!! I do take my labs into town with me and round the shops, a different dog each time I go, and the only places they dont go are food shops. Ok, I live in a small town and we are quite well known, and most people make a fuss of my dogs, which of course they love. The chemist has sugarfree treats, the florist is where we have our morning coffee, just have to hold the tails till we get through to the back :) ,even the papershop that does have a sign up, all talk to my dogs, and the pet shop, well nobody talks to them in there, their heads are in the open meal sacks. :)  But yes, we should be able to take our dogs wherever we go (where the law permits) they are part of our family.

90% sure. There will always be dogs who are either mentally unsound or badly trained - just like children. Look at the socialisation and experience of human life that Guide Dogs get! You don't see them starting fights, do you?