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Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / pets at home range of dog/cat food
- By briedog [gb] Date 16.10.04 06:43 UTC
i pop into my local  pet at home yesterday i notice that they got their own ranger of food,looking at the label of product which is in the food,it looked every much like three of the top brand of dog food that on the market,

i ask one of the girl about it and if a well know company that made it,she said it the same as one of the leading 1 that sell in vets,shop,

but the different is the price 15kg £16,99 instead of the £30or above price,

so i am going to try it out on my 6,if it any good it will bring the cost of feeding mine bye half
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 16.10.04 12:58 UTC
Hi - I would probably compare the ingredients/nutritional list to your current brand/or leading brand mentioned for starters as there is no way I would take the word of a pets at home shop assistant!  If it meets with your needs then well done on your saving :D  I looked at the ingredients of a supermarkets own brand of dog food recently (out of curiosity) and stopped at 4% meat derivitives :eek:  Cheap isn't always chearful!!!  I find it cheaper to go to my local butchers and pick up lots of free bones and offal :D
Sarah :)
- By ChristineW Date 16.10.04 14:48 UTC
I have been feeding Curtis on the PAH adult food for about a month now and it seems to agree with him & his dodgy stomach.   If I can't get to my Pedigree breeder collection point (Nearest is 50 miles away!) then I opt for a bag of this.    Would like a hint on who the manufacturer of it is??????  ;)
- By briedog [gb] Date 16.10.04 17:34 UTC
but rozzer i dont feed raw,so i cannot get it free,i do not do thing bye half i have read the details and it the same has one of the top brand i use on my dogs,

will the cat like her so we wait an see what happen,to the dog in coat,temperant,ect when feeding pah food.
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 16.10.04 19:10 UTC
Nice One - I guess I was kind of saying that 'own' brands have to be closely looked at - and that I wouldn't listen to any assistant in PAH with regard to...Well....Pretty much anything :D 
Sarah
- By briedog [gb] Date 16.10.04 21:40 UTC
so you dont trust anyone,

i do mircochip in pah and i find the company very good,the staff in the store i go to are very caring and helpfull,yes they are all young kids working in this places but we all had to start some where to get a job,
- By ozzie72 [au] Date 17.10.04 04:39 UTC
I wouldnt really put much value into what a pet shop assistant said either :( The ones in my pet shop say science diet and pedigree are good foods,need i say more???

I guess the proof is in the ingredient list,why dont you post it and then we can give you a better idea.
If it starts with corn,maize,by-products,derivatives etc. then no it isnt a good food.

Please post the ingredients,i am very curious. You cant make a good food with second class,cheap ingredients. I pay $35 for 3 kilo of the dry food i feed my dogs.

christine
- By briedog [gb] Date 17.10.04 06:42 UTC
i bought the cat food not the dogs at the moment beacuse i still got 3 15kg of pro plan still to get through,

but the first on the dogs was fresh chicken,

i would not post without asking the pah first for legal reason.you could ring them on 08003284204 or wwwpetsathome.com for details on the food
- By jackyjat [gb] Date 17.10.04 07:37 UTC
I am sure there isn't a problem with listing the ingredients of their food, as is often done on here.  After all, if their food is good it will do them nothing but favours!

Perhaps someone can help?

My local pets at home certainly isn't staffed by people with vast quantities of knowledge when it comes to animals!
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 17.10.04 11:02 UTC
Briedog, I wouldn't accept anything as 'fresh' when it is in a dry form and looks exactly the same a few years later!  By the way, I trust the odd person now and then :) 
Sarah
- By ChristineW Date 17.10.04 11:20 UTC
I think the jist of this thread has gone now especially as a few individuals who like nothing better than aggro have jumped in.   If it suits the dog why do we need the in depth post mortem on the ingredients?  Leave it Terri, if you are happy with the food &  I'm happy with it then that's all that matters.
- By John [gb] Date 17.10.04 11:57 UTC
I'm afraid there is more rubbish spouted about dog food than anything else in dogs. There are two criteria to determining what is a good food for a particular dog

1/ Does the dog like it?

2/ Does the dog do well on it?

Price does not enter into the judgment of a good food. I know some high cost foods which I cannot see justifying that high price and I also know some relatively cheap foods which I have no hesitation to recommend which I judge on my experience of that food. We all know some foods don't suit all dogs, or people for that matter. As an example, I love mushrooms but they make my sister ill!

Regards, John
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 17.10.04 14:01 UTC
I thought the 'jist' of this thread was that Pets At Home do their own brand of food - and its half the price of pro-plan (which I guess is what Briedog is currently feeding) - I feel it a suitable thread for people to discuss price v quality, company 'own' brands in particular and PAH staff as nutritionists - The comments posted haven't been particularly negative IMO - merely relavent points of discussion, relating to the origional post!  Or perhaps I have missed something?!? 
Sarah
- By ChristineW Date 17.10.04 15:24 UTC
Well I'd be interested to know how someone in Australia feels she can comment to something sold in the UK?

John, I have to agree with you totally.    And I will leave it at that.   Discussions about the PAH staff and whether they are qualified or unqualified in promoting the food is another discussion totally.   Terri commented on the food & if anyone was feeding it and it's price, that is all.    Of course PAH staff will be trained to promote their 'stores' complete it is the same with any pet food manufacturer and any BARF feeder, you'll promote what you believe in!
- By ozzie72 [au] Date 17.10.04 23:16 UTC
ChristineW,what difference does it make which country anyone lives in??? As you can see i was asking Bree to post the ingredients as i just cant run down to my local pets at home.Seeing she WONT post the ingredients just confirms my suspicions about this food,i dont think i really want to see the ingredients now because as John said you all know best anyway.
Christine if you dont want to see people from other countries on this board,just come rright out and say it,we have tough skins over here,unlike some :(

Tally ho

christine
- By John [gb] Date 17.10.04 15:53 UTC
Read my post Rozzer and tell me if I did NOT mention price?
- By Rozzer [gb] Date 17.10.04 21:33 UTC
Read it John - dont really need to read it again - You might need to read mine again though?  Some so touchy on this board sometimes, and there I was thinking it was an information EXCHANGE :rolleyes:
- By John [gb] Date 17.10.04 21:38 UTC
You are right when you say some are so touchy on this board sometimes. I wonder why I bother to try to help. I get sick to death being kicked by all and sundry. If you lot know best you are welcome to the board and I hope it does you all good.
- By briedog [gb] Date 17.10.04 22:02 UTC
yes mine are on pro plan for the pass 10 months,they all been on the top 3 diets over the last 8 years,and some times the manufactor do change their product with out tell the breeders or owners ,in writing,you only know there a change in the diet when something gos wronge with the dog with it health,
one of my old dogs was feed on cheap chappie  and terrier meal for 10 years,with on problem to health,but my 3 of my frc and 1 gorden was feed on the top brand of dry food and only lived to 5 to 7 years old,so some time the old ways  are best,

but it easy for me to feed 6 with dry food easy to dish out,and store,so if another company comes on to the market with the same as the top 3,and half the price and i get good result with it i will stick to it.

if you all so intested in whats in the product go down to your local pah store and find,i am not doing all the home work,it was just out of intested for me.

plus i find my pah staff very nice and helpful,it depend on the attitude of the customer if the staff is helpful,like all thing in life, be polite it gos a long way.
- By ClaireH [gb] Date 17.10.04 22:42 UTC
I have also just started to feed Pets At Home's own brand. My dogs were on Burns for years but I got fed up with the weight loss, diarrhoea and constant hunger. (the dogs, not me!) I decided to investigate other foods. I was interested in Arden Grange but there are no stockists in my area and I wasn't going to buy online a 15kg bag in case they reacted to it. I was looking for a food that was mainly meat, it is 25% chicken, plus meal, making it 33% meat. It had to be wheat gluten free and the protein content not too high (26%). My dogs do obedience, agility and flyball, so the higher protein content was OK. (Burns active is about 21%) They have been on it for about 2 months now and are so much better. I would rather feed them naturally but it just didn't suit them. Now they have filled out, stools are 'kickable' and they are generally happier. All Burns told me to do was cut back their food; 6ozs for a very active 2 yr old collie! He now has 10ozs a day and hasn't had the squits once. Proof is in the pudding......
- By Gonzo [gb] Date 18.10.04 02:49 UTC
"yes mine are on pro plan for the pass 10 months,they all been on the top 3 diets over the last 8 years,and some times the manufactor do change their product with out tell the breeders or owners ,in writing,you only know there a change in the diet when something gos wronge with the dog with it health"

Or by reading the list of ingredients :)

Chappie is actually a good dog food. I fed mine on it, with a mixer when he was a pup, and he thrieved on it.

As John has said, if it suits your dog then thats the main thing. I might pop down to Pets at Home and have a look at this food then. Do they sell them in trial size'd pouces at all? As its just a waste if he wont eat it. Mine is on a part Barf diet part Complete. IE Barf for Breakie, Complete for dinner and Barf for tea :D Only in small portions though.
- By ChristineW Date 18.10.04 06:42 UTC
Yes, you can buy small 35p bags of it, will do a small dog 1 meal.   

It was feeding raw chicken wings that upset Curtis's system in the first place and he's never been right since, they gave him mild colitis which he had to get antibiotics from the vet from.   And as I've said before, I have a friend who works for a large chicken processing factory and she will never feed her dogs the BARF way!!!
- By ozzie72 [au] Date 18.10.04 10:05 UTC
Thankfully there are those of us who choose to supplement our dogs meals with real food who wont buy chickens that come from large chicken processing factories.
- By Havoc [gb] Date 18.10.04 11:00 UTC
Chappie and Terrier Meal....

My first labrador (when I was living at home with my parents) was fed on this combination throughout his life.

During his life I think he went to the vets about four times. Twice for his initial injections, once to have a problematic thorn removed and finally to be put to sleep at about 14 or 15. I dont think I've ever heard of a dog that didn't thrive on it.
- By ChristineW Date 18.10.04 12:08 UTC
Thankfully?

If you had seen the problems myself & 2 friends had had with feeding a more 'natural' diet to large breed puppies & their subsequent growth plate problems you wouldn't say thankfully.

Thankfully, a complete diet & calcium tablets rectified Asti's problem and she'll be 14 next May.   My vet says her teeth are in the condition of a dog half her age...I say thank heavens for completes!
- By ozzie72 [au] Date 19.10.04 04:18 UTC
I really dont want to turn this thread into a barf V kibble debate,so this is the last i will say on this topic.

Christine,perhaps you should have done more research into barf before diving in??? There is much more to feeding barf than a chicken neck or a bowl of tripe every now and then! For a young dog to develop growth plate problems then there had to have been something missing in it's diet,these things dont happen to properly fed dogs. Did you keep the prey animal in mind? As in feeding every part of the prey a wild dog would catch in balanced proportions. How many books did you read on the subject?How many raw feeding websites did you join so you could ask dozens of questions pertaining to the right way to feed a dog?Judging by the problems you had,i'd say none!
Fortunately you were able to undo the "damage you did to your dog",but there are plenty of other pet owners out there who have jumped in with out researching and have done irreperable damage to their dogs!

I do not want people thinking i am a barf pusher,i feed a variety of cooked,raw meaty bones and a minute bit of holistic kibble.

If you would like to continue this conversation,then start a new thread,i would love debate this issue with you in which i can bring a tonn of personal experience and knowledge to,what could you bring besides putting newbies off of feeding raw by your unfortunate mistake?
- By Gonzo [gb] Date 19.10.04 04:29 UTC
****If you would like to continue this conversation,then start a new thread,i would love debate this issue with you in which i can bring a tonn of personal experience and knowledge to,what could you bring besides putting newbies off of feeding raw by your unfortunate mistake? ****

Thats her experience of feeding Raw, and it is HER entitlement to put forward HER own experiences. Whether you agree or not, its an open forum and people have different opinions, share different views and have different experiences with different dogs on the same diet.
- By ozzie72 [au] Date 19.10.04 04:51 UTC
Gonzo this thread is not about barf,and it should not be de-railed by it which is why i offered to continue on a new thread,which i have a feeling is not going to happen :rolleyes: I know i would be pretty peeved off if i started a thread asking a question and then it got completely thrown off into a different direction!!
- By ChristineW Date 19.10.04 06:38 UTC
13 years ago no-one had ever heard of BARF...it's one of these new fangled ideas!!!!!  ;)

Asti (Large Munsterlander) was never fed on raw chicken as a puppy, myself & 2 friends (One with a Wolfhound pup & one with a Ridgeback pup) all chose to feed the 'traditional' mixer & tripe way and it was this that caused all 3 puppies to suffer with growth plate problems in the case of the Ridgeback it probably left untold damage leading to an early demise.

Thanks Gonzo, yes it is my experience and those of 2 friends who also had pups around that same time.

Asti is now a hale & hearty 13.5 year old who has been fed 'kibbled/complete' food from then on and has never had a problem since.   And I will never get into another argument with you Christine V, I don't know what might sit in my inbox.
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