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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / It just seems so strange...
- By sibeluver03 [us] Date 10.10.04 04:20 UTC
Hi everyone,

I've posted about a similar situation before, just do a search if you'd like to see it. Will my bitch never get along with other bitches?

Here's my story... A few months ago Kieron got loose and attacked the neighbor's senior female dog, which is what I posted about. Some of you had some ideas and advice and some didn't, but oh well.

My point is, tonight I took Kieron and Houdini over to Shahoona's house, Kieron's daughter and Houdini's sister (they are littermates). Usually Kieron gets along quite well with Hoona, but not tonight.

The minute I let Kieron off her leash and into the house where Hoona was, she started growling and tried to attack her. I grabbed ahold of her collar and pulled her away, but boy was she pulling. She yanked my arm enough to make it sore, but luckily I kept her from really attacking Hoona. Little Hoona only layed on the ground, wagging her tail with her ears tucked down, being a good girl.

Houdini stayed out of the way. I just didn't know why Kieron was trying to attack Hoona. I didn't expect her to really remember Shahoona, as the pups are one tomorrow. But I hoped they would at least get along.

So Kieron has attacked my neighbor's senior female dog twice in the past and tried to attack her one year old daughter today.

Kieron is 2.5 years old and is spayed. Hoona is 1 year old and is also spayed. The neighbor's dog, a mixed breed, is a senior dog, but I don't know if she is spayed or not. I think she is.

So what do you all think? How come Kieron attacks other female dogs for no appearent reason, but gets along perfectly fine with males.

I am aware of the fact that bitches sometimes don't get along... But I had hoped that Kieron would be a female who didn't mind other females.

So what's up? Thanks for any advice!

-Tara
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 10.10.04 07:15 UTC
It does seem that you have a bitch that has decided to be boss of the neighbourhood's dogs, as far as she is concerned she is doing no wrong but just enforcing her superior position. Can't help I am afraid, I have a bitch that is the same and has become much worse since being spayed at 4 years old, we just make sure she is not in a position to enforce her rule on any other dogs other than my own. (Blame Mrs Thatcher myself for setting a bad example, before that girls were sweetness and light :D )
- By archer [gb] Date 11.10.04 07:49 UTC
You are now aware that your bitch (by what you have said) is dominant aggressive.You,like Jackie,must ensure that she is not put in a situation where she can 'enforce' her dominance and hence put another dog at risk.
It may be worth contacting a pet behaviourist and also doing some controlled socialising under expert supervision but at the end of the day she must be kept under control around other bitches (and dogs if she is the same with them).You were lucky yesterday that the other bitch was submissive or else you would have had a real problem.
I would also suggest you keep a close eye on your 2 bitches...although they get on ok now if your other bitch decides to try her luck as she matures you will have a big problem.Maybe there is a lesson to be learnt here...if your bitch had been fully mature before she was allowed to have a litter then you may have seen her aggressive nature which I believe is not usual with huskys(although they are not my breed) you may have chosen to not breed from her. That is not a criticism of you but just an observation.
Archer
- By sibeluver03 [us] Date 12.10.04 21:04 UTC
Yeah, I wish I had waited to breed her. Everything went perfect, but I was lucky. Anyways, that's beside the point.

I do not own two bitches. I own one bitch, Kieron, and three other entire male dogs. One is Kieron's son. The bitch that was submissive, Hoona, lives at another house with a friend of mine. Kieron and I were at that bitch's home, if that helps anything.

The neighbor dog who Kieron decided to attack lives down a big hill, pretty far from my front yard. So, Kieron and Houdini have no other contact with that dog. The only contact she has with other dogs in the yard are the other two male dogs. And even then, they are hardly ever, if ever, around each other.

I wonder if maybe Kieron is bitch-to-bitch aggressive because she is never really around other bitches? She gets along just fine with male dogs, she just goes into a play bow and the play until they are about to pass out. It doesn't matter what dog it is, as long as it's a male, she loves him to death.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to try my hardest to not let Kieron have the chance to attack other bitches. Its a shame, really, I know a lot of lovely bitches who I'd love Kieron to spend time around, but she can't.
- By archer [gb] Date 14.10.04 12:43 UTC
<<<<I wonder if maybe Kieron is bitch-to-bitch aggressive because she is never really around other bitches>>>
this is the whole point of socialisation...you can't expect to have a dog,never let it meet strange dogs and then know how to behave when it does.
You also say she is hardly ever around your own other dogs...you can't really expect her to know how to behave can you?
Archer
- By Bellaluna [dk] Date 14.10.04 17:21 UTC
Easy now

U dont know why she isnt around the other dogs, now do u?

I happen to know a bit more about Sibelover's domestic situation, as we chat on another site.

And I do believe the mating was an accident, so there. Dont go jumping to conclusions.....

Sorry rant's over. But its just so unfair. Tara was just asking for help and advice not attack.

Jeanette
- By archer [gb] Date 14.10.04 17:48 UTC
Not being unfair...or judging...just stating fact that an unsocialised dog for whatever reason...cannot be expected to behave in a social way when meeting new dogs!!!
And maybe you  can explain a good reason for dogs in the same ownership to not be allowed to socialise!
Archer
- By Bellaluna [dk] Date 14.10.04 19:27 UTC
She said that her dog played fine with male dogs, just not bitches. It didnt say anywhere that she only got to play with the males in the household. I'm sorry but that's jumping to conclusions in my book.

My friend has a bitch, Freja is now 4 years old, when she turned 2, she decided that she didnt like other bitches. She's also socialized.
- By archer [gb] Date 14.10.04 19:54 UTC
<<<The only contact she has with other dogs in the yard are the other two male dogs. And even then, they are hardly ever, if ever, around each other>>>
I read this to mean that her bitch hardly ever spends time with her males...how else would you interpret it?
Some bitches(or dogs) can be aggressive towards the same sex BUT socialisation reduces the chance of this happening.To not socilaise is asking for trouble.
Archer
- By sibeluver03 [us] Date 15.10.04 03:16 UTC
Thanks Bellaluna... I should have went to DW instead, huh? *sigh*

Kieron is allowed to play with our other dogs. She is around Houdini, her son, 24/7. When I said she isn't around the other dogs very often is because they are not penned up or tied up in any way. Before my family learned how to really take care of dogs, we never kept the two males confined. They are allowed to roam. I know some of you are probably having a heart attack, but this is not the point. The two male dogs do not ever go near Kieron and Houdini. Its simple as that.

Kieron isn't around other bitches often because I really don't take her to classes or anything. I live in an area where there are very very few dogs. She and Houdini get regular walks and plenty of exercise, but sadly no dogs are walked where we are. I can actually tell you this. There is only one other dog I have ever met. And guess what, he is a male and Kieron loves him to death. Don't bug me about taking Kieron to training classes, I really don't want to hear it.

I did not expect Kieron to act 100% perfect around Hoona or any other dog. But do you not agree that it is strange that Kieron did not even take a chance to sniff Hoona? Especially in Hoona's territory? Kieron would run right up to a strange male dog and would play with him until she was exhausted. But Kieorn flat out attacked Hoona the moment she set eyes on her.

You know what, just forget it. Some of you roll your eyes when people say this, but you guys are really rude sometimes. I could take this same post to DW and would get much better and kinder replies. You all are helpful at times, but more so some of you are down right rude and should think about rewording some of your advice so that it doesn't sound so mean. I'm off to DW, who cares.
- By MollMoo Date 16.10.04 00:42 UTC
Just seems that she may be a naturaly dominant female, so its best shes kept away from other bitches, once a bitch becomes like this, theres not an awful lot you can do to stop it.
Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / It just seems so strange...

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