is ther any one in the uk can place me touch with owner of american pit bull or american staffordshire pups would be better if there for sale thankyou www.iggybradley@aol.com

Neither breed is legal in the UK, I'm afraid.

As far as I am aware, the Am Staff is not mentioned on the DDA, although it is really just the show version of the APBT so could fall under that catchment, the same could apply to Irish Staffs, and *some* kc Staffs..even sometimes the American Bulldog, so be careful.

Trevor Cooper, the solicitor who specialises in defending dogs seized under the DDA, has confirmed in several magazine articles that AmStaffs, being the 'show version' of the pitbull, are considered in law to be the same as pitbulls and are therefore banned.

Am Staffs are not mentioned in the dangerous dogs legistation, section 1a) of the dangerous dogs act states "a dog of the type known as the American Pit Bull Terrier" nowhere in the act does it mention the Am Staff, so technically speaking you would not be breaking the law.

Where there could be trouble IS that the Am Staff looks very much like the APBT.  But as long as the dog is kept under proper control, i dont suppose anyone would bother you, just make sure you have all the relevant paperwork for the dog :)

>technically speaking you would not be breaking the law.

That's not how lawyers interpret the law.

This article will be helpful - look under 'February'.

there are quite a few about, (i know there should not be) so if you cant find them on your own maybe your not the type of person to have them

Think the DDA says 'of Pitbull Type' so IMO MooMoo is right and all the breeds mentioned and may be several of the more popular of the bull breed crosses should not be about and are at risk of being taken by the police under the act. Guess that is why people want them, some because they like to own a breed like the Pitbull because they admire them as a breed others for reasons that are either not so admirable or for reasons of personal inadequacy. Do feel sorry for those who really like the breed for the sake of the breed but to own one or a copy of one is asking for unwanted attention.

Athough it has been mentioned Irish Staffs arent actually illegal, get one of them, they look like Amstaffs and have similiar temps to SBT's but be careful, dont just get a pup from the back of a newspaper, if you do go ahead and search for a Irish Staff be very fussy about where you go, these afterall arent recognised breeds and you will get some saying, there just pit bulls but there not frankly, there not big built enough to be a pit! But as i say be careful

>> there just pit bulls but there not frankly <<

But there in lies the problem, you may know they are not PB's but does your local dog warden and any member of the public who may decide to shop you to the police who will not know either,

Dogs from staffies to Great Dane crosses have been seized under the DDA...it doesn't matter what they are,if the law considers they are of pitt bull type they can be taken and destroyed....is it really worth the risk?
My Archer was a HUGE staffy...he weighed 28Kgs of pure lean muscle and stood 20 inches to the shoulder...he was often mistaken for a pitt. I was forever aware and worried that if he put the SLIGHTEST foot wrong he could be taken under the DDA...from barking at a person to chasing a dog(neither of which he ever did) people could so easily have reported him and then I would have lost him.
He was the most obedient,passive dog I have evr owned.He never raised a hair at anything or any one ...even the kids rabbits but it would not have prevented him from being destroyed had the wrong situation arisen.
Archer

i can help you out there.give me a shout at my email
a1geeg@hotmail.com

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A couple of months ago, while walking my dogs, a met a chap walking a genuine red nose pit bull terrier that was about 18 months old. It was a lovelly dog, the owner initially said it was a staffordshire bull terrier but upon realising I was no fool he confessed its true identity and that it had been imported from Texas as a young adult. I should have asked him more detail on this but he was reluctant to talk. It got me thinking how can such a dog can be imported in to this country and pass quarantine, maybe it shows what a poor job the relevant authorities are doing at identifying those breeds covered under the dda. Personally I have no problem with pit bulls and their infamous reputation has been brought about by gutter press trying to create hysteria. The problem that I do have is when breeds loosly related to pit bulls are condemed while people are free to import the real thing without any problem, isn't it time that the dda wasn't just amended but scrapped altogether as being unworkable.

There are some dogs called "Anault" I think, advertised in my local pets at home.  They are advertised as "Anault" pitbull x greyhound x mastiff on an A4 poster which stands out a mile.  Surely these people are just asking for their dog and pups to be put down if they are advertising they are a pitbull mix - are people really this stupid or do the authorities really not care

Alaunt. ;-)

I expect that the authorities only become interested in any dog after someone has complained about it.

There are plenty of idiots owning and breeding dogs. However, some breeds and types attract more than their fair share!

I knew I should have written it down :rolleyes: :P

I understand that Brian Plummer (the man that developed the Plummer Terrier) made an attempt at recreating the Alaunt type before his death.

Alaunts were a primitive and early form of hunting / fighting / war dog. I cant really fathom the motives for recreating such an animal in modern Britain. I would struggle to think of a legal use?

Brian was a law unto himself. he had a great many dogs in his kennels I believe, as well as the Plummers White GSDs, Working beardies, Patterdales were just three

The Alaunt that Brian Plummer was trying to create was predominantly a cross between a Greyhound and a Bullmastiff, he was trying to produce powerful dog that also had great speed and that was NOT aggressive but had a strong hunting instinct. Personally I think if it was done right it would make quite an interesting dog.

An interesting dog but i'm still not sure what you would actually do with one. Most of the owners I come across struggle with labradors, heaven help them if they got hold of one of these animals!

That's a very valid point, Havoc. In today's very anti-dog anti-nature climate a dog which would be good at that breed's original purpose would lead a miserable existence of denial.

There is no real point for a dog like an Alaunt when in Britain hunting with dogs is to be outlawed, this article written by Mr Plummer explains his intensions  http://www.earthdogrunningdog.com/articles/dbp16_alaunt.htm I cant help thinking though that Mr Plummers obsession with correct temprement and health would have produced a fine dog

I wonder what prey he was planning to use them on as they would have been a fairly big breed too big for fox killing & that cross could have had stamina problems

Mmmmm a fine dog......but again another new breed without a 'purpose'.

Lets face it, there is not the work in this country for such a dog as the Alaunt. And were Plummer still here to be creating it (although apparently friends of his are) it would be viewed with the same disdain that his terriers are by much of the hunting fraternity. Where, one must ask, is the point of a working dog, that has very little ability TO work!

Em