Hi,
we have 3 and 1/2 month pup, trouble is she keep weeing and pooing everywhere!.
we have lots of paper down at all times, if she does a wee where she is not supposed to we tell her off and then put her outside so that she knows she is doing wrong, the door is always open for her to go out so its not like she cant get out cause she can, if she is outside or goes on the paper and does her buisness we praise her up and give her treats to let her know she is doing right.
i mean she will sometimes go on the paper but more than likely she will just get up and do a wee even if the paper is in the same room which i dont understand as i think she does know that she has to go on paper as she has done it quite a few times, i put her outside today and she was outside quite a while when i loosed her back in she went straight into the house and done a wee!, i know she is still young yet but any ideas as to what else we can do to make her understand more that she has to go on paper not not just wee everywhere i just dont know what else to do now, my aunt has got her brother and he is fine now he goes straight on to the paper, i know every pup is different and it may take some more time as she is still young but any ideas form you would be appreciated.
kez

Personally I would get shot of the newspaper, there is no point training her to go on newspaper when really you want her to go outside, all you are doing is encouraging her to go indoors.  Put her out every hour without fail and also after sleep, playing, eating.  Give her a command to go, such as "toilet" when she goes outside praise her, you may have to wait a while for her to go but keep her out there until she does. If she goes inside just ignore her, dont punish her,  and clear away the mess using biological washing powder to get rid of the smell. 

HTH

Claire

To be honest, i am not a fan of using paper because it teaches the pup to go to the toilet in the house!

If you then tell the pup off for doing this then it is going to be very confused and eventually may even start to avoid going to the toilet when you are there because it associates the presence of its owner plus wee or poo with being told off.

I would go back to basics, if the pup makes a mistake take a rolled up newspaper and whack yourself on the head with it!!

Actually take the pup outside and wait for it to go, do this after meals and after play and sleep. When it does go, even as it goes, give it a tasty food treat and say "good quickie" or whatever you want to use.

Clean up all smells and mess with special cleaners for the job, or else use a biological washing powder. Dont use disinfectant because it contains ammonia which smells like wee to dogs!!!

Be patient and remember dogs only learn what we teach them when it comes to housetraining.  Also some dogs may break down a bit when due in season first, or when adolescent.

Lindsay
X

I'm not sure why you want her to go on paper? I've never tried training a pup to use paper because I don't want them to think it's right to 'go' indoors - I only want them to wee and poo outside.

So I would suggest you take up all the paper (which I'm sure is only confusing her), and watch her all the time she is awake. Take her out (don't just put her out - go with her) at least once an hour to the spot in the garden you want her to use (maybe peg down some soiled paper there) and if she performs give her a command word such as "busy", "hurry up" "weewees" - but remember it's something you have to be ahppy saying in public places! ;) Then lots and lots of praise. In the meantime, watch her - if she looks as though she is going to perfom indoors quickly rush her outside and praise her when she does it there. There's no point in scolding her for making a mistake indoors until she knows where she's meant to go. The more time you concentrate on her the quicker this will be achieved. But get rid of the paper!

You say that you let her go and she went back in the house for a wee. That is because you have made going outside a place that she goes when she is naughty, so when you let her go she went to a place where she thinks she is meant to wee, a place where she is praised when she wees and she did her business.

sarah xxxx 

Very well put, sarah!

Thank you :) And remember kez, to always take her out when she has woken up, after eating, after playing and when she gets excited.
But the one thing that you must not do is pick her up when you want her to go in the garden, let her walk herself this way she associates needing a wee with taking herself out to the garden. 

sarah xxxx

Hi,
thanks for all your comments, the only paper that is down in by the back door whch is the door she needs to go out of to do a wee, this is why we have paper, we have had dogs before and have always used this method and it seemed to work up until now, when we thought she statred going to paper we put it outside thinking that she would learn that she has to go outside but this didnt work.
we always put her out as soon as she wakes after meals and after play etc but even then she still comes into the house and does her wees and poos on the carpet.
i left a rug out in the garden waiting for it to dry and she done her buisness on there instead of going on the paving.
i personally think that she has it in her mind that she has to wee on the carpet for some reason, we have never encouraged her to do this.
after posting my first post she went to the paper by the back door and done a wee so i praised her and gave her a treat, 5 mins later she came in the kitchen and done another small wee??? very confused as to why she doing it as to me she seems to know she has to go there.
i think sarah has made a very good point about going outside a naughty place, thats why she come in a wees cause she thinks that she has to wee there but i also do praise her when she does go outside.
just seems like she does know what she has to do but just wont do it, i know its all very confusing for her but we have another dog whos 13 and now she seems to think that she can wee anywhere she likes cause she seen the other one doing it even though she knows better, its like haveing 2 pups int he house lol.
Im going to take up paper and try the way u guys are telling me and hopefully this will work cause i'll need a new carpet soon with all this dog wee lol.
thanks
kez

It may also be worth getting her checked out by the vet as you have said she did a wee 5 minutes after another one, she may have some sort of infection. Very occasi0nally pups have other problems down there - you know, plumbing in the wrong place, that sort of thing.

Lindsay
x

Only praise her when she wees outside. Don't say anything when she wees on the paper (if the paper is indoors - I'm not sure from your post) because you don't want her to continue thinking that weeing indoors (whether on paper or on carpet) is acceptable.

And please, don't just put her outside after play, etc - take her. Go with her, so that she doesn't think she's being punished. Being put aside from the family is very distressing for dogs.

Hi,
I was actually thinking that she may have some sort of infection down below, as she does 1 little wee ( only very small) then she will move someplace else and do another little one and then about 1 min afetr do another 1, its like sometimes she dont do 1 big wee she will do little ones at differnt times, wasnt sure wether this was her trying to mark her territory or wether its was something more serious.
i ahve actually moved paper and said to her come on wee wees, she followed me outside and i stayed with her after a little while she done a little wee so  i praised her and then she did another little one outside so then i praised her again, but she then went into the varandah ( as we call it ) and done another little wee on the carpet so i didnt shout at her jsut called her and said wee wees again and she followed but didnt do anything.
i hope this is what u was telling me to do!.
thanks again for all your replys very much appreciated
kez

Also if she has gone on the paper then stepped in her pee she would drag the smell all over the floor. Which would also be why she goes in the same room as the paper and not on it. She is only 3 months she does not know to go straight outside, she must be shown. Take her out to the same spot every day and give her a command like hurry up, go pee, be quick ect, pick one and use it all the time. I would pick up all the paper when you are home since this is only confusing her. Do not tell her off for having a mistake, that is your fault for not catching her and all that will cause is for her to hide and pee some place else and not ask...If you can't give her 100% of your time leash her to you, this way where ever you go so does she, and when you notice her circling, sniffing the floor ect say go outside go pee and outside you both go. Once she has performed alot of praise/treat. I have trained my dogs this way and it worked wonders.

Oops after reading your last post, sounds like you got it...I too would get her checked just to be on the safe side...Some puppies will fake a pee also to get that treat/praise...Good luck :)

i agree with the others omst of the points are covered,if you need to put the paper outside the door it might help if thats what she is used to going on.
i never used paper with any of mine but if you carry them out,they don't learn to go out by themselfs when needed.

:-) sorry that made me giggle, we thought that Tally used to fake wees too to make us happy and praise her when we were training her!!! :-)

Hi,

Our little girlie was the same, we tried everything but she persisted in making a mess indoors.  I spoke to a friend who has dogs, as we had no previous experience, and she said that girls don't have proper control over the muscles involved in toileting until they are around 16 weeks.  Miraculously, virtually spot on 16 weeks, Winnie suddenly stopped messing indoors.  I don't know whether this was a pure coincidence, or whether it is true about little girls muscles, but it may be worth hoping that it is true!  Does anyone know one way or another?

Helen

Hi,
Just though i would give you an update, i am trying the method of using no papaer and taking her out every one hour and when she wakes etc and when i see her sniffing around, well i think she is starting to know now that when i call her outside to do "wee wees" she has to pee lol, mind you i am standing outside for over 15 mins in the freezing cold to make sure she does one and to not make her feel like she is being punished but i think she is slowly starting to catch on, still has wees in the house but when she is on the sofa she does jump off and go to run to the back door then stops lol so thats when i know she needs to wee so i call her outside and go with her till she does one, funny cause she sits looking at me as if shes waiting to be praised as if she knows whats coming now cause she did wee wees lol......just gonna stick to this way cause i think its working better than the paper method.
Thanks again you guys for giving me all this advice.
kez

Hi Kez,

Good news, congrats!  Only thing about standing outside in the cold and rain repeating "wee wees" is it's got a habit of making us desperate to go ourselves :D  And of course we cant until the little darlings have done their bit and we've hobbled cross-legged to the treat tin, trying to keep a cheery up-beat tone as well :-)  :-)  :-)

Teri

Congrats! It sounds like you're doing well, and she's getting the idea of what you want. :)

"she went to the paper by the back door and done a wee so i praised her and gave her a treat, 5 mins later she came in the kitchen and done another small wee???"

See???? You praised her for going by the back door. (inside, right?) You're inadvertently sending her mixed messages....that it's ok to pee inside.

Only accept outside for doing her business. No papers, no near the back door, no inside toileting period. Take her out often, even more often that every hour....make sure she doesn't get an opportunity to go inside. Prevent the accidents by watching her literally EVERY second or if you can't watch, put her in her crate. And like you have been, praise her up one side and down the other when she goes outside....have a party for her. She'll get onto it. Good luck.

Carrie