We've raised the B & T ES since 1973, now we need to get a new line of stock.  If there is anyone that can tell us about others that raise the B & T's, please send us a note.  We're in MS, but would travel a fair distance. Please let us hear from you. Thanks, cl

Sorry guest, but all the abbreviations you have used, make your post very difficult to understand. Neither have I ever heard of the breed English Shepherd. Please join the board and explain better what you want. By the way, this is a predominantly UK website.
Dawn R.

I assume B&T is Black and Tan MS is Massachusettes(sp). English Shepherd is recognised in USA. website

blimey!! never seen those! must be sort of along the same tpye as the aussies!
actually some do look abit aussish in their heads!

sorry guest you may need to find a more american based site,although that link may help you! good luck!

the black & tans on the site are a completley different type to the other colours,how strange!!!!! they almost have a hovawort <sp> look about them!

Funny you should say that Michelle I thought the one I saw few years ago looked very Hovie-like

Thanks for that link Anne, I like the look of the breed, although quite like the Australian Shepherd, another American breed, I wonder why they are 'English' when we don't have them here?
Dawn R.

Like the "Australian"shepherd they are an american breed thet "alleged"has it's roots in dogs that came from England with immigrants. They look like another variation on the working sheepdog

Hmmm - so that's what Ausies with tails might look like ;)

And another anomoly - why English Shepherds (never heard of in the UK) just like Aussies (we had Australian friends over at the weekend who have never befoe SEEN an Australian shepherd - and they come from the sheep station areas!

Margot

LOL Margot it's because they are both american breeds

ive had a good look through that site,theres one pictured with a natural bob.
im intriguided really,the gold & whites & the tri look nice, not too sure about the black & whites & b&tans

interestingly no merles ,being so stong in the aussie lines

That's because the Aussie Shepherd is an American breed! (No, I don't understand why it's called the Australian Shepherd either! )

LOL Well they couldn't call it an american shepherds could they far too logical :)

To be fair, the US is not the only country to do this...

The Labrador was first given its name in the UK, and was no more than a 'type' in its native Newfoundland.
I would guess that breeds like the dalmation wern't given that name in that region. (Were they even developed there?)

No, dalmatians were unheard of in that area till the last century. Patches Silverstone gives several possibilities for the origin of the name in her book about the breed (which is at home and I'm not so I can't give you the low-down). The most possible origin of the name is an adaptation of a hunting term.

Dalmatians were certainly known in Turkey in the 16th century, in the UK in the 17th century, but weren't introduced to Yugoslavia (where Dalmatia is) until 1930 ...

The origins of the name? Lost in the mists of time - possibly a corruption of "de mota chiens" - speckled (mottled) hounds which ran free with those hunting fallow-deer.

exactly ! so is the english shepherd an american breed!

I think it must be!

I'm not usually very impressed by the 'rare breeds' that get brought up on here, but I must admit that I like the look of most of these dogs.

its a good site,quite informative i think, im just too obseessed withanything collie related though!

its strange that the americans have now produced the aussie & this english shepherd,if they have sort of "invented them" why dont they call them american shepherds!???

Yes - it is strange - Americans are so keen to claim so much for their own, you'd think that they would want toclaim these two breeds - but then what would we call our Awful Aussies - Amazing Americans???? :D

Margot