Question: New owners entered a bitch that they had rehomed, into a fun exemption show, in the "Rescue" section.   She won - this annoyed somebody off who recognised the bitch, and who telephoned one of her previous owners, to complain.

Question is - does everyone recognise the difference between "rescue" and Re-home"?   To the new owners of this dog, as the original owners hadn't wanted her, and they had, in the RSPCA terms  "rescued" her -  they felt they could enter her into a fun show! At no time did the dog go into "breed rescue" and no money changed hands between the new owner and the previous.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.  My freind has one of my pups who came back to me when her first home didn't w3ork out.  She always goes in rtescue classes as she wasn't bought by her present owner and if I as a responsible breeder hadn't had her back then she could easily have ended up in real rescue, so what is the difference?

As Brainless says, it sounds like sour grapes. My breed club has changed the rescue section name from using the word 'rescue' to 'welfare'. Apparently it has better PR. :rolleyes: It boils down to 'rehomed' - for whatever reason.

I was nearly beaten by a "rescue"dog-his owners considered hima rescue because when they bought him from the breeder they got £50 off the asking price because he was the last one left in the litter !

There were two judges one looking at the condition of the dogs & the other asking the handlers questions. The first judge wanted to put the dog first until the second judge relayed why the dog was a "rescue" LOL was the owner mad they still say the dog was rescued !

The winner was a greyhound found i a skip & my late mongrel was second(found on a derelict farm after being tracked for three months after being dumped ten miles away)

Our rescue is called Welfare & has been for over 30 years but we still get called GSD rescue the two are the same for me

A rescue is any dog not obtained as a puppy/adult from the breeder or stud dog owner 1st hand & has had other owner(s)

<<A rescue is any dog not obtained as a puppy/adult from the breeder or stud dog owner 1st hand & has had other owner(s)

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Would you consider that this includes a dog taken back by its breeders from an unsuitable home?

Yep I would consider that dog a rescue(all good breeders of course take back any dog they have bred that is no longer wanted)Christine no slur on the breeder in fact that is the best way to "rescue"dogs because the person who takes back a dog they have bred & places it in a new home knows the dogs background & parentage etc so can make a better assessment of where the dog should go.

The word "rescue"to the GP means the dogs badly treated when in fact it could previous owner died became ill etc Our lady who has the rescue(GSD)took back one of her breeding when the owner went into a hospice to die. The bitch has been rehomed with a lovely couple & is lucky to be enjoying a second good home.

The word "rescue"is used by many all breed rescue/rehoming kennels to bring emotion in to play so that the GP will feel that they are doing a "Good deed"taking on a second hand dog. Which of course they are but it can also make some think they are getting "damaged"goods if they go for a rescued dog. This is one of the reasons when our lady set up the kennels that the rescue was called "Welfare"

My boxer was rehomed not rescued. Rehoming in my opinion is when the dog is in good health and the current owner due to circumstances are unable to look after the dog.

A rescue dog is taken in by a centre due to ill treatment, or one which has strayed and nobody has come forward to claim the dog.

Subject close to my heart. Bradley went straight from my home into another. He was not I repeat NOT rescued.

In the context of the original question - there can't really be a difference :) Companion shows are, for example, often held by dog recue/rehome centres. It would be unfair to exclude some of their own rehomed dogs from the 'rescued dog' class :) What is the intention of the special class ? Surely a special opportunity to 'show off' a dog that - for whatever reasons - hasn't had the same continuity of care that most dogs enjoy :) Most are extra special dogs to their owners - much like adopted children :)

Daisy

I think there can be a difference.  IN my private capacity (not as Rescue co-ordinator) I have rehomed several dogs, both mine and my partners.  OK, so the original definitioon given above covers those we have rehomed which we have bred, but what about the ones we bought, and for whatever reason were rehomed?  These are very definetly not Rescues!  They have come from us, where they were given every care and attention, straight to very carefully checked homes - no rescue element here!  They may well be dogs who did not develpo quite well enough to show for us, or who were indeed succesful in the ring, and either had a problem which meant we decided not to breed from them, or a family health probelm popped up, or one of many other reasons.  I would consider it very, very unfair for any of these dogs to enter into the "rescue" section at a companion show!  One dog I rehomed had 2 CCs and a bunch of RCCs!  While he would obviously not be qualified because of this to  actually enter the pedigree classes at a companion show, he could go in the novelties!  So you have to consider the wider aspects - how would the people with the genuine rescues feel being beaten by one of my Rehomed kids!
bye
Gwen

If the dog was"secondhand"it would be fine with me. I suppose it depends on one's point of view

To me it the dog is not wanted or cannot say with it's current owner for whatever reason(genuine or not)then it's next owner is a "rescuer"

Obviously a dog with a JW or CC would not be eligible for a companion show & in any other competition that judges dogs against dogs(other than Terrier shows) as opposed to dog against another species of pet could lead to the owner & dog being banned from KC shows

All rescues are rehomes but not all rehomes are "rescues"is what you mean I think Gwen. Funny I've only bred one litter of GSDs & did actually rescue one back as he was dumped in our rescue kennels by his owner who thought I would not find out !!!!!

We call our rescue classes Welfare dogs which covers any dog that has been rehomed from a previous owner & not sold to a first home by the breeder(this stops the dog I mentioned that was a rescue because it's buyer was given a discount by the breeder)

Rescue is a very emotive word

>A rescue is any dog not obtained as a puppy/adult from the breeder or stud dog owner 1st hand & has had other owner(s)

Too general I think.  I have just bought an adult bitch in Italy. The person I bought her from was not her breeder but had got her as a puppy from the breeder. We bought her to enhance the bloodlines in this country. She is anything but a rescue!

Janet

I have just bought an adult bitch in Italy

I presume you intend showing this bitch at Companion dog shows ????I think not

I was speaking of "PET"not show dogs-jeez I took back one of my GSDs from our rescue but he was a show dog(GSD) I would not show him at Companion dog shows(well they were Exemption shows then)even though he was a rescue

You have gone out to buy a show/breeding bitch not a solely  pet I presume & therefore the dog simply being bought for a specific purpose not rehomed because the previous owner could no longer keep it

No Moonmaiden I don't intend showing at companion shows - she is overqualified in Italy anyway. I'm sorry - I missed the part of your definition that said "for showing in companion shows a rescue is...."

Janet

The thread is about companion shows & it's not a definition as such just what we accept as qualifies a dog for our "Rehomed dog class" at our companion shows & we have had this as acceptable since the incident with the dog I mentioned

Ah OK - it wasn't clear to me that this was a definition of a show class. Still seems an odd definition though since my imported show bitch *does* fulfil these criteria though clearly shouldn't be eligible for that class but my old dog who had 4 homes in 3 years before he came to me *doesn't* fulfil them as I got him through his breeder....

Just seems odd.

Janet

Jeez talk about nit picking

We accept the following in our REHOMED class

1.The dog was not bought as a puppy /adult from the breeder
2.The dog was obtained from the breeder who has taken the dog back from another homewhere it was a.no longer wanted or b.unable to be kept
3.Obtained from a rescue/rehoming centre
4.Had previously been a stray

is that clear enough for you so your older dog would be eligible

Thank you Moonmaiden that is a lot clearer - shame you weren't so clear in your original post then people wouldn't have to seek clarification from you which clearly you have a problem with.

Janet

or for that matter the bit that mentioned "owner being unable to keep it...."

Which is I think vital to any definition of rescue ... owner being unable or unwilling to keep the dog - therefore your original definition of a rescue as a dog that was not obtained from its breeder and having had a previous owner is IMHO too general.

Janet

Jeez talk about nit picking

To me it the dog is not wanted or cannot stay with it's current owner for whatever reason(genuine or not)then it's next owner is a "rescuer"

did you not read this either ????????

I pesume when you "bought"your bitch if you had not"bought"her she could have stayed with her previous owner ?????

Hi Moonmaiden,  part of the point of my response was to point out that some of the dogs we have rehomed, whilst seriously overqualified, so not allowed to compete in the pedigree classes at a Companion show, would be able to compete in the novelties, therefore in the rescue class, which could be grossly unfair to the other dogs.  I have always assumed the term rescue implied having removed the dog from some sort of difficulty.
bye
Gwen

I would have thought that any sort of rehome causes some sort of upset to any dog :)

Daisy

I used to look after a FCR who was a failed gundog, she was obtained through flatcoat rescue although she had not been abused in anyway she was just no longer wanted as she couldnt fullfill her purpose.  I entered her in a number of "rescue" classes at exemption/companion shows as far as I was concerned she was unwanted by her previous owners so therefore she was a rescue.

If a dog has been rehomd because it's previous home was not suitable or could not keep it is still a rehomed dog Therefore at our shows they would be eligible & of course our judges ask about the dogs life history before deciding which dog should win

So anyone who told one of our judges I bought the dog from a kennels in Italy, paid for it's Pet passport  & have brought it to the UK to show/breed from would not be placed over a X breed that had been found in a sack in the local canal(the last winner of our rehoused class)

For goodness sake is it necessary to be so rude? This was not in the post that I was responding to but in a later one (apologies if I am meant to read the entire thread before replying to any message - I will remember that in future).

I was only asking about an apparent anomaly in the definition you quoted using a couple of examples from my own dogs. You have now clarified that - thank you.

I will go back to lurking - far too dangerous to put a head above the parapet around here!

Janet

Well actually yes you should read all the thread before replying then perhaps you will not ask people to go into unnecessary detail about what they have written

The thread is about rescue classes at Companion shows not what I personally consider a "rescue"dog & not that your imported bitch could enter our Rehomed class when clearly it couldn't

A rescue dog to me is a dog not wanted by the previous owner or one that cannot be kept by a previous owner. So even if it is a breed champion or Ob Champion or any other champion it would still be a rescue

We have actually had a breed champion bitch through our rescue kennels after her owner/breeder was found dead & had no family & who had left no provision in her will for the dogs. Better that she came to us, than to the RSPCA etc  for  possible mishoming or another breeder where she could have be bred to death. She actually stayed a helper at the kennels until she died aged 17 & yes the helper took her to fund raising Exemption shows & yes she went in the rescue classes as the helper had no interest in any other shows & oh yes she won a few classes too

Well I am sorry I committed the heinous crime of replying to a message without reading all those that came AFTER it. I will certainly not make that mistake again here.
For the record I was well aware the thread was about rescue classes and what constitutes a rescue. I am also well aware that my bitch couldn't and shouldn't be able to enter a rescue class - that was my whole point! I am not sure why you seem to have taken offence at this.

I have been a member of this board for a few years now if not not posting as often as some. But frankly responses here seem to be becoming increasingly aggressive and people are getting jumped on very quickly (a general comment not just this thread). Shame - it is an interesting place with some really great people but life is too short  for this. So don't worry Moonmaiden I will not be breaching your etiquette again.

Janet

Jeez lighten up will you Why do you have a problem with me ? I am aggressive ? because I object to you nit picking about what dogs we think should be in a rehomed dog class at a companion show ? I am soooooo sorry I have dared to upset you by not being able to completely give you an explanantion of what the rehomed class definition is at our shows which is obviously of such get interest to yourself. I will note your requirements for a full detailed explanations of everything in my future posts. The only thing is that when I suggest things my posts will have to be very long as i presume you will require full explanations of why I am suggesting thing & why & how the things I suggest might work

Better still I better stop posting all together

I have been a member of this board for a few years ? for 18 months from your profile

> I have been a member of this board for a few years ? for 18 months from your profile

Oh good grief - checking up on people now? As if it matters FYI I was on the board for - I wouldn't like to say exactly -  but at least a year before this with a different user name - I lost all my data in a crash and rejoined - had to change the name as I didn't have the login details for the previous one.

Yes - before you say it - I could've got them from admin - but I didn't realise that at the time.

So - yes - 2.5 years (give or take) == a few years.

I am not going to waste any more of the board's time on this! I'm sure we all have better things to do.

Janet

Hi Janet - don't let the minority upset you...most folk here are very pleasant :)

Well in my mind the dog would not be a rescue if it came direct from the breeder never having been sold elsewhere first.  so even an older dog retured into a pet home direct from the breeder would not be a rescue.  For most people I think there has to have been a home somwehere away from the breeder.  How can a pup bought from the breeder as a pup or adult be a rescue?

>>into a fun exemption show<<

sounds like the other person complaining didn't hear about the fun part! :rolleyes: You forget how petty some people can be...

Thanks for your responses - I'll pass them on

Please, please peeps!!!  

I asked a question, I received very informative answers - and thank you for those - now don't come to blows over questions about a "fun show".

Life's just too short for such trivialities - just think about the funerals going on in Russia at this time.....

Margot