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- By Guest [gb] Date 02.09.04 18:37 UTC
I have a young pup getting to 7 months of age, he is 3 quarters border collie and a quarter bearded collie (Lassie dog), he looks, acts and trains up exactly as a normal border collie but he is Tri-colour (Tan, black and white) he has a very good nature, fantastic with children and is very, very bright, the only difference being that he is nowhere near as nervous and jumpy as the purebreds tend to be.  I am of the opinion that he would be very desirable as a showdog, however as his slight mongrol background prevents this, I think that bred with a purebred B/W Collie, thus leaving only an eighth bearded collie genes, the pups would be desirable as my dog seems to have lost the negative behavioral attributes that can be associated with the purebreds.  I would appreciate any feedback that anyone has to be sent to good_godzilla@yahoo.co.uk  Thanx.
- By John [gb] Date 02.09.04 18:47 UTC
<< my dog seems to have lost the negative behavioural attributes that can be associated with the purebreds.>>

What behavioural attributes would they be Guest? A well bred dog should not have behavioural problems. Temperament should always be uppermost in anyone's breeding program.

Incidentally, the "Lassie Collie" is the Rough Collie, not the Beardy.

Sorry Guest but whatever you do now your dog and it's offspring will always be cross breeds and as such It is doubtful if you will find puppy buyers prepared to pay the cost of raising a litter.

Regards, John
- By archer [gb] Date 02.09.04 20:53 UTC
Guest
I have purchased 3 dogs of my chosen breed.They are from 2 of the most successful breeders in this country and are from excellent breed lines.They are fit and healthy and have excellent show records including reserve best dog at crufts this year YET I consider they are not suitable for use as stud dogs.What then makes you think that yours is? You want people to breed their pedigree bitch to a cross breed and produce mongrel pups when they could choose a good border collie stud and produce nice pedigrees?
By the way tri colour is not unusual in border collies...it is an accepted colour
Archer
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 02.09.04 21:21 UTC
I'm afraid you won't get any owners of pedigree border collie bitches who show remotely interested in using him, not when there are plenty of quality purebred dogs available (black-and-white, red-and-white, tri-colours etc). If he does well at working trials or obedience you may get people from those fields interested in using him, but it will be up to you to prove his ability in those fields, because they won't be particularly interested in his looks. You will also need to be sure whether his cross-breeding was to a Bearded Collie or a Rough Collie (sometimes called a 'Lassie' Collie) because the characteristics he may have inherited from that grandparent could be very telling.
- By gwen [gb] Date 02.09.04 22:21 UTC
Agreeing with all everyone else has applied above, but just want to add that there is absolultely no guarantee which of his traits your dog would pass on - any pups he happened to sire would most likely have a mish-mash of his, the bitches and the 4 grandparents natures!  It takes generations of careful, expert breeding to "fix" a trait, and is certainly not always guarantedd to appear in every pups from every litter.

bye
Gwen
- By sandrah Date 03.09.04 07:42 UTC

>>the only difference being that he is nowhere near as nervous and jumpy as the purebreds<<


I have a pure bred Border Collie and am involved with a lot of well bred collies, I have not seen any described as you have above.  But then if you think yours is good enough for the show ring even if it is a crossbreed who am I to question it.

Why you should want to think about mating yours at 7 months old I have no idea.  At this age you don't even know how he is going to turn out as an adult.  :confused:
- By michelled [gb] Date 03.09.04 08:25 UTC
im sorry he will never be able to be used with show BCs to produce breeding stock/showing stock as he is a Xbreed.
if in the future he proves himself in some sort of proformance way,ie agility ,working trials,obedience or even simple working(sheep) ability,then people in these fields may be interested.

i have 3 borders only one of which is nervous,the other two have fantastic temperments.

there has been a half border half rough (lassie) obedience champion before, ob ch jam????? whiskey mac??
(sorry quite quite remeber full name) it was some years ago now
- By tohme Date 03.09.04 09:35 UTC
have a young pup getting to 7 months of age, he is 3 quarters border collie and a quarter bearded collie (Lassie dog),

Er no, a Rough Collie was the breed used to portray Lassie!

he looks, acts and trains up exactly as a normal border collie but he is Tri-colour (Tan, black and white)

Border Collies also come in tricolour! as well as black and white, merle and red and white etc.

he has a very good nature, fantastic with children and is very, very bright, the only difference being that he is nowhere near as nervous and jumpy as the purebreds tend to be. 

Mongrels and purebreds can be equally nervous and jumpy.

I am of the opinion that he would be very desirable as a showdog,

Why would he be desirable as a show dog when he is not a dog that fits any of the KC standards; what would you be "showing" him for?

however as his slight mongrol background prevents this

I am afraid you cannot be "slightly mongrel" any more than you can be "slightly pregnant"!

Think you need to go away and learn about dog breeds and their differences before you even contemplate breeding anything;
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