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Topic Dog Boards / Visitors Questions / american bulldogs (locked)
- By Guest [gb] Date 04.08.04 21:20 UTC
are they legal to own in the UK?
do they get on with other dogs?
- By cooper [gb] Date 04.08.04 22:52 UTC
yes they are legal.
if brought up with other dogs they should be ok
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 05.08.04 06:47 UTC
They are legal in that you are allowed to keep one providing it is under control, but they are not recognised by either the UK or the American Kennel Clubs, so you will have to be particularly careful where you buy from and make sure you see besides both parents, other dogs that have been bred by the breeder you choose.

I appreciate you may know how careful you will have to be and if so I am sorry to mention it but it may help others who are planning on having a non-recognised dog to avoid the pain and vet bills of a less than well bred dog.
- By corso girl [gb] Date 05.08.04 07:39 UTC
And buy from some one that knows what breed they have as in one of my local pet shops some idiot has some pups for
sale and has advertised them as AMERICAN BULLMASTIFF PUPS and given the Sire & Dam so i know they are AB (what a fool)
- By pyndath [gb] Date 05.08.04 12:37 UTC
they are legal.
if brought up with other dogs doesnt mean that they are ok with other dogs.
they are recognised by american kennels clubs.
some lines are more dog friendly than other.some are more man friendly than others.
please please dont give advice on these breeds unless you have experienced them.our breeds dont need more bad press because new owners havent researched them enough.especially these dogs.
no offence but i would expect you to know these things by researching more into the breed rather than coming on to a message board to find out.
please not if you are a first time dog owner i wouldnt recommend you getting this breed.
- By pyndath [gb] Date 07.08.04 12:33 UTC
forgot to say some of the better breeders have imported sperm or have bitches sent over to usa to be inseminated and brought back so you may not be able to see the sire.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 07.08.04 15:50 UTC
Meant the AKC who did not register them last time I looked, they must have just done so a short while ago and I am sorry I gave incorrect advice. If it is other American clubs well yes they may do as will the DLRC but that does not mean it will be safe to believe anything that is written on the pedigree.

Have taken another look at the AKC site and still can't find the Am. Bulldog, perhaps it has only just been recognised or may be they call it something different, can you put me straight as now I am not sure if I was right or not, thanks.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 07.08.04 16:12 UTC
Have now had a good look around for which Kennel Association it is recognised by and have drawn a total blank, not even the FCI lists it, so as you seem to know all about them would you let us know please.
- By Nikki B [gb] Date 07.08.04 16:51 UTC
Hello

This may help explain with regards to the AKC http://www.doggies.com/American_Bulldog/ 
They are listed on the on the NKC http://www.nationalkennelclub.com/Breed-Standards/Breeds-List.htm
- By pyndath [gb] Date 07.08.04 18:25 UTC
the nkc and the ukc both register it.the jdjb also register them but they are for only jdj bulldog types which most consider now a seperate breed from the other lines.u said american kennels CLUBS not the akc.all 3 are reputable kc in usa and uk.however there are kc like the dog lovers which arent.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 07.08.04 19:04 UTC
Who are the NKC and the UKC I have never heard of them are they affiliated to the FCI because the breed is not mentioned there or are they like our DLRC?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 07.08.04 20:23 UTC
From what I've read they are on a par with the DLRC.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 08.08.04 05:48 UTC
In which case I will revert to my first reply that every care should be taken and that the 'breed' in not recognised by any internationally respected registration system and therefore any records can not and should not be given any consideration, it is totally up to the purchaser to see what they are getting and that they trust the person from whom they are purchasing. No reason why you should not buy this type of dog, just be carefull.

If a registration system is recognised by the FCI then in most part I feel their system is able to be trusted if not I would have my doubts, certainly systems that allow the person registering the dog to enter the dog pedigree with no conformation that those dogs even exist let alone are the ancestors of the dog in question can not be trusted to be a true record of the dog/pup you are buying.
- By pyndath [gb] Date 08.08.04 12:06 UTC
just because the akc doesnt recognise a breed doesnt mean its not a pure breed.
or does that mean only widelly known dogs recognised by the akc are the only true breeds in the world?we all know some breeds nnot recognised by the akc or british kc thats npot to mean they are the only true breeds is it?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 08.08.04 12:55 UTC
No, that's where the FCI comes in - they cover all the European KCs. Between the KC, AKC, C(Canadian)KC and the FCI most points are covered.
:)
- By pyndath [gb] Date 08.08.04 12:04 UTC
no they are not on par with the dlrc
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 08.08.04 13:07 UTC
OK I believe you that they are not like the DLRC but in that case why are they not affiliated to the FCI. Unless they are, we, in good faith, can't advise people that they can buy a dog without taking the greatest of care, which is after all what I have been saying, if you can't rely with a reasonable amount of confidence on what the dogs papers say you have to be very careful.
- By pyndath [gb] Date 09.08.04 11:24 UTC
so that would mean you exclude all breeds like the american bulldog dogo canario etc?because the fci dont approve?
the kc like aba or ukc etc was set up so they could be distinguished away from the show dogs.
for example the coonhound register was setup so people who want working dogs will still be breeding for the trait they originally bred for not for show points.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 09.08.04 12:05 UTC

>> so that would mean you exclude all breeds like the american bulldog <<


Exclude from what? We were, are talking of taking care when you purchase a puppy particularly if records that are relatively reliable are not available. Advising care not exclusion.
- By pyndath [gb] Date 09.08.04 17:01 UTC
well record from the aba,ukc and nkc are all very reliable.look into the history of them and see for your self.the records had to be very accurate you see or the dogs being worked would not be true to function and form.a great example of this are apbt and the american bulldog and the records of pedigree for them.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 09.08.04 19:10 UTC
Not sure why you keep on about American clubs, even if they are worth taking notice of, the poster is, unless I am mistaken from the U.K.  why do you keep on about the USA when the person posting is looking for a reliable breeder in the country. And as I keep saying they should exercise care as there is no end of poorly bred dogs about. Now if you disagree with that statement fine, but stop talking of unrecognised registration clubs in the USA.
- By pyndath [gb] Date 10.08.04 09:01 UTC
sweeet jesus!
let me put it to you mopre simply.
i am an american bulldog breeder.the only 3 reputable,verifiable and legit clubs you will be able to register with are these 3 clubs-nothing else-including the AKC!for you to attend any type of show in uk or usa or anywhere that has full pedigreed ambulldogs you must have a register with either of these 3 clubs-nothing else nothing more.
im atrying to convey this to the guest.the guest wont be able to find ambulldogs register with anything but these 3 clubs and any other club should be ignored.
are you satisfied in why i am trying to get my point accross?i dont want this guest to be relayed misinformation from the like of you to him/her.next time if you dont know about the breed dont comment on the question-simple.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 10.08.04 10:23 UTC
My last sentence should have read recognised or unrecognised. That apart I have no idea why you keep attacking me for saying that the guest should be careful where they buy from, if you disagree with that and think they should just buy the first dog they are offered, then say so. We all know they will not find a dog registered with the KC and that fact has no bearing in what I have been saying, buy with care. Must now have said this about 4 times on this one thread and am surprised beyond measure that you do not agree with me and just keep talking about dog registration clubs that are not even in the UK.

As you are a breeder and must know of other breeders of quality dogs why are you spending time arguing the toss about registration club when you could point the guest in the right direction, you may have done so in private in which case just say so.
- By Admin (Administrator) Date 10.08.04 12:18 UTC
Can you two please take this to email. Thanks.
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