Yes westiworld, they did, except one that was already suffering from a disease that was caused by the vaccine.He couldn`t fight the 2 & new he would die.
Christine

I have worked with puppies for the last 4 years, for the met police, and the main problem with our pups, that had loose motions and sickness was caused by campylobacter and giardia, this knocks them for six, and they become very ill, but we never lost any (touch wood) hope they get well soon diane.

Met pol do you have any more info on those illnesses . campylobacter and giardia
I am wondering what it is. Mari

I know, by what the vet said that campylobacter is a bacteria that all dogs carry, and seem to appear when the dog is stressed, as for giardia i am not so sure, i think it is similar, my dog as a pup with the rest of the litter had both, at the same time, and were very poorly, it was a case of putting them onto antibiotics, light diets and plenty of electrolites to stop them from becoming dehydrated, i know one of the drugs used was erythromycin, and the other to stop them from being sick was emmequell ( not sure if i spelt that right ), it almost seemed as if every litter we had went down with it, so we would think that when they got to a certain age that they would get it, and they usually did, but we do not seem to have had it recently, even a member of staff caught it, as humans can get it as well, and she ended up very thing, almost skeletal like, it is a very nasty bug.

that sounds just awful I am glad I have not had experience of it. but as you mention it I recall hearing it happen a long time ago to a german shep litter . I guess we will never get to end of those dreadful diseases Mari

That sounds like it as my last litter also got it at 6 weeks old, but no blood last time, did yours bleed?

Metpol fan!!!!

I spoke to my vet today about giardia, but he doesn't think it is , he said they would not be this ill through giardia, did any of your ill pupies show signs of bleeding?
Julia

Yes, they had blood in there motions, and this was caused by campylobacter, they can become very ill with this.

Giardia and Campylobacter. Note: both of these are zoonoses

Thankyou Leigh, stupid me has only just realised these were links to other pages, very interesting and helpful.

Just seen this thread and wondered if anyone else thought that giving the recovering pup B-sorb might help. Its great for recovery from any serious illness and lack of nourishment. It may be sold under a different name now, its thick green sticky stuff- does anyone else use it or know of it? I do hope your pups recover. There is a disinfectant called parvocide that may be of use in disinfecting the whole house afterwards, in case it was Parvo. There may be other disinfectants around that kill the parvo virus as well. I think the virus can lay dormant for months and spring up again. Very best of luck, you must be exhausted, all the best.

I agree. I use Parvocide to protect my dogs and puppies too. It's MAFF approved (for what that's worth!) and kills viruses and bacteria. I use it to clean the whelping box and run attached. Any visitors, and me, walk through a pad soaked in it at the front door, and the air is sprayed before and after visitors.
I also spray myself and the dogs when we come home from shows, as well as wiping their muzzles and feet with a cloth.
I'm not sure that the pups will digest and absorb anything while their temperature is sub normal, so keeping them warm and hydrated I think would be the priority.
Good luck.

Hi Val , where van you buy parvocide? I think it may be worth getting some now!
Julia

I'm looking for you now!

Sorry to be so long. One Company has taken over another!
Look at www.animal-health.co.uk. Parvo-virucide is the disinfectant. It is VERY concentrated and can be sprayed onto carpets, curtains, furniture etc. I have a grooming parlour and as many viruses are air borne, I spray myself when I leave the parlour to come indoors when I have puppies. Odorkill is a very pleasant de-odourizer and removes nasty pet smells. They will post to you.
Hope you're all doing well this evening.

do you know I have been half scared to look at board tonight . I was worried about the pup I am glad to hear he made it through the night , I think there has been a high mortality rate in litters this year . I think it is across the board both here and there . The litters are all getting the same thing parvo type illnesses. The reason I am saying PARVO TYPE is because my vet told me there is a new strain of it and he feels they are not protected by the vaccine we have on offer at the moment. He says that everyone expecting a litter should have some emergency penicillin injections on hand . For those who do not know how to inject a liquid penicillin is the next best thing . getting the bug in time being the main AIM instead of waiting for treatment that may not be available in time . best wishes Mari

Thanks Val, got some Trigene from vet to put me on, as soon as i get confimation to what it is , I will buy lots of it!!!

Can you spray the dogs with it after walks? e.g mum!!

Hi westylover what is B-sorb, I havn`t heard of it,it sounds like homoaopathic maybe?
Christine

Glad to hear the other vet is more responceve
hope all goes well tonight
will be watching the thread for further posts
karl

Sorry no technical advice I'm afraid just good wishes. Have been following this hoping pups will both be Ok. Hope all goes well from now on and that the situation improves. Reading all this makes me understand how little those of us who quibble about the price of a pup know about what it takes to raise a litter ! Hope you have a better night.

Hi Westiworld- I'm still here still rooting for you- with all the best wishes, luck etc all sent out to you- I hope you have a better night and things turn around soon for you all:(

Stacey x x x

HI Christine. B sorb is a feed suppliment, high in the B vitamins amongst other things- sorry its a long time since I bought it, memory is a bit shaky. It is brill for dogs that are/ have been very poorly, and is absorbed very quickly and easily when it cant or wont eat. It absorbs so quickly into the blodstream that even in dogs that are vomiting a lot, it seems to keep them going better than just re-hydrating drinks, though of course they need them too. I haven't needed to use it for several years and saw it on a stand at a champ show fairly recently. I think it may be Animal Health, as it has those bottles with the two tops and a mini-chamber to squeeze the stuff into to or out. A lot of the animal health bottles are like that. I shall have a surf about and find out. It may be under a different but simaliar name now, but it very unusual and easy to spot as its a bright green thick liquid.

Westieworld, I do hope your pups continue to improve, what a nightmare for you. Could this be the virus that has been mentioned in Jan eLilleys column in Dog World for the last 3 or 4 weeks, but not in last weeks one? Has nayone else seen them? It sounds simaliar. I shall look them out in the morning, they are full of info about exactly how to treat it, though it sounds like at least 2 of your are improving, so maybe you are over the worst, I do hope so. Of course it may be a different thing altogether, but the viruses those dogs were suffering from had the same symptoms and it was likened to parvo, it so new it doesn't have a name yet I dont think. It has been affecting puppies and old dogs, and sometimes missing out altogether the younger adults within a kennel/household of different aged dogs.

W.L. I am sure you are right . The vet I go to has been saying this for a year or more. That is why he is so adamant that any one who has a dog inpup should be prepared .for it . I never in all my years in dogs experienced anything like it . I was very smug up till then . best wishes Mari

Westie - Lover (me Too)
This sounds interesting, would like to hear more, what is dog world ? is it a magazine? I have 4 Adult Dogs and only mum has been a little sick for one day!
Do you breed westies?

Thanks westylover its nice to know about these things & to have them in with the emergency kit
Christine

Hi Westieworld its been a while since we heard from you so I`m hoping no news is good news.
Christine

Hi everybody, sorry it's been so long to update you, I got some strong disinfectant from the vets and so i have been v v busy cleaning. Holly (The girl) was terrible last night, she now has projectile vomitting and diahorea with lots of blood and gut entrails, however this has eased since 3.30 am and she started to wander around a bit, she won't stay in whelping box anymore. Rocky (the boy) has still not eaten and is very reluctant to take his lectade (Water with glucose etc..) he is very docile but his eyes look bright, i think he is believe it or not constipated as he was straining and howling for 2 hours on and off and eventually did a very hard but normal coloured poo.Very strange isn't it? They are both acting so different with the same bug!!
Anyway the vet has kept them both in for another drip today, so i am going to bed for a couple of hours if the builders next door will allow me to get any sleep!
Thankyou everybody for your support i am very confident now that they will both pull through, although i don't think we are out of the woods yet!

Hi ww good to hear from you, I know its a difficult time you`re going through.Your vets done the best thing so don`t worry about the little fellow not eating, thats not a prob at the moment & while they are on the drip they will get everything they need for the time being. Strong little things are`nt they? Chin up, speak to you later when you surface. :)
Christine

Why did my neighbours decide to re- roof their house today (semi attached)can't sleep!!!

It has been 8 days now since the start of the bug, how long can they last at now 9 weeks old without food?
and Yes they are very strong little things, the boy has also got a v v bad cleft palet(don't know how to spell this) which makes him even more of a miracle really, his pallet is so bad that he is managing to cope on his own with it, we nicked named him sneezy when he was young as he kept sneezing, otherwise we wouldn't have known.But thats another topic really , he was two weeks old when we realised , i just thought he was a slow feeder as we havn't had any problems like this before (3 previous litters from same mum and dad 14 puppies in total and 1 cleft pallet) Thats why we decided to keep him till he was fully grown at least to see how he coped, don't think I could ever sell/give him away now though, he is so special and I am so soft.

Ok i have just got back from the vets, I still have 2 puppies but they are v v quiet, especially the boy who is just not moving, the lights are on but no-one is in kind of thing, I hope it's just the drip that has knocked him out. I think he needs some tlc.

Bad News- Rocky the boy is turning for the worst, it's decision time so i need a little help, he's started to be sick again but can't even stand up, he's producing green mucus from the mouth, and has just passed through his rear a huge pool of green mucus. He is just so weak, but he's not showing signs of real discomfort though or pain. He seams to be fighting it still as his eyes will roll to the whites and then he'll jump a little and open them again. Do i take him to the vets to be pts or do I hang on in there for him?

I'm so sorry to hear your news, it must be so heartbreaking for you. Is it worth giving the vet a ring to discuss the situation? You've worked so hard to keep these puppies alive, I'm so sad things aren't going well.
with heartfelt best wishes,
Cathy.

:( enough is enough, holly had a seizure and quickly died, (5 mins earlier she had run across the room to greet me) so we took Rocky down to the vets to be pts, he was still fighting but we knew where he was going.
Thankyou for your support, and i will let you all know the results when they come in, I have to know what caused this!

Such sad news:(
sorry it didn't end better but you have done all you could
karl

I'm truly sorry. You tried so hard. Now have a rest. You did all you could.

I'm so sorry. My sincere condolences.
Cathy.

Westi,
I am so sorry about what's happened with your pups. It's had to be absolutely heartbreaking. Is the mother ok, or was it just the pups that were sick? Please accept my condolences.
Sara

So very sorry to hear your news, especially after all the hard work you have put into these pups. Sometimes breeding is very hard indeed.
(((hugs)))
Joan and the Griffs
Take the rough with the smooth

Hi WW
Although I didnt post i was always 100% behind the pups and yourself,
I was so sorry to hear your bad news but console yourself
with the thought they are no longer suffering and you must have suffered too.
You done your best and mother nature decided she needed them more.

Hi ww, so sorry you have lost these babies, after working so hard on them, I know how exhausting and traumatic it is and how desperate you must be feeling. I have posted on "Health" what i have gleaned from articles I have read about a "mystery virus" which could possibly be what your pups have. Are the mum and any other dogs you have, ok? Very best wishes.

Just wanted to say how sorry I am. Hope that mum is ok, give her a big hug from me.
Naomi

Mum is feeling sad, she didn't see them die, but she obviously knows, mum also did a very good job of cleaning and reassuring them, however she did show signs of sickness and a little loose for 1 day,but thats all, i have 4 adult dogs altogether none of the others have been infected!
TO ALL BREEDERS .....
THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH LEARNING GAME FOR ME, IF YOU DON'T/DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUG IN PUPPIES LEARN NOW!
I hope that I never to have to go through this again, yes I agree you have to take the rough with the smooth, but there is so much in the way of strict hygiene/contamination from so many sources that have to be addressed before your bitch goes into whelp and untill they leave to new homes.
I will certainly be changing a lot of rules round here.

I lost a small litter of two some years ago I had to watch them die and my thoughts are with you,ive never bred a ltter since.xx

Take the rough with the smooth is a catch phrase to do with the Griffs, as they are rough and smooth coated! though of course it is a very apt little saying in many circumstances!

I too have been saddened by your bad news. I know how awful it was when my third litter had such a bad reaction to worming, and I felt I had failed them, and they were whinney and had the projectile diarhoe. I was so woried not knowing if all would turn out well!

Sometimes no matter what one does disease gets a hold, don't blame yourself over it!

WESTIE {{{{hugs}}}} {{{{{and more hugs }}}}} thinking of you . Mari

{{{{{{{{{{BIG HUGS}}}}}}}}} to you WW and an extra special one for mum. You have tried so so hard.

Very Best Wishes.
Claire.
x

So sorry for you- at least you can say you did absolutely EVERYTHING possible:( Maybe you should get some well deserved rest now- afterall your bitch still needs you and it won't do for you to be ill aswell;)

Stacey x x x x

Still no resulls back! So i don't think it was Parvo! could be wrong though? Hopefully by the end of today we shall know. Got my delivery from Animal Health, you are all correct, especially the odorkill it works very well!! :) The green stuff arrived too "SORB - VIT B" i'm sure i will find a use for it again!
Good news our new house with 3 acres of land, maybe coming more of a reality now, the plan was to expand on dog breeding full time!
I don't think i'm ready to give up yet!! with more land and seperate quarters for the dogs (when with puppies, my house will still be full of them) disease control should be much easier.