Can somebody please give me an idea of typical stud fees you would expect to pay for a good quality stud or a champion stud (Staffordshire Bull Terrier).

You sohould epxect to pay about £200. Varies depening on region and the stud dog owner.

the stud fee for staffies is usually around half the price of a well-bred puppy, most likely due to the high popularity and availability of this breed. You should expect to pay around £150 - 250. there are cheaper studs advertised but there pedigrees may not be as good, or match so well with that of your bitch.

you could try doing a search on here, there are quite a few staffie stud dogs :-)

totally agree with what the other 2 have said.  when i friend of mine was looking for a stud the top price was for a Champ and that was £230.  she also looked at non show dogs and that was anything form £100 - £150.  she ended up paying £200 for a good show dog that is well on the way to becoming a champ

but you have to watch out as i was in touch with a man (he was a bit of a fool) that said he had a top winning dog, that had shired a lot of top winning puppies (more then the top stud dog of that year)and he wanted the price of a pup, which can be anything form £300 - £500.  his dog was not even shown,

It is interesting that Stud fees in the popular breeds tend to be quite low, as in my own numerically small breed I have alwys paid the same price as the current puppy price, be that for a proven stud, champion or Maiden dog, though with a maiden the fee wasn't payable until there was a litter.

Of course many dogs in our breed only sire one or two litters in a lifetime, and even well used dogs may only sire a dozen litters in their stud carreers.  Some dogs are used a lot more, especially imports who will have lines diffferent to those of the bitches, so be used by more bitch owners than a home grown male who will be of little use to most of his female relatives.

Have been discussing this subject recently and alot of people feel that in the SBT's at the moment it seems that the same dog(s) are being used over and over as some people think the stud dog holds all the answers to the problems in their lines but some people don't look close enough to home and realise that they are doubling up on faults or even introducing new faults to their breed lines.

well said luxnallstaffs :)
A very valid point you have made :)

Not only are closely related dogs doubling up on faults but the over use of a particular dog, however good, reduces the available gene pool and could make it almost impossible to find any fresh genes in a few years time. This has already happened in a number of breeds. I was discussing just this with a Flatcoated Retriever breeder at the CLA Game Fair on Saturday. All the Flatcoat people will know the dog I'm talking about when I say that there are only about half a dozen lines without this dog in them and the number is getting less all the time!

Regards, John

Sad thing is that alot of stud dog owners will see the pound signs before their eyes and take the money without looking at the bitches pedigree or whether they will be improving the breed. Think that the KC should limit a dog to a maximium amount of matings per year so that the choice of where the dog goes is made more selective and if the dog does more than the permitted matings the puppies should not be aloowed to be registered. What do others think on that idea?

agree with you  luxnallsstaffs
there are quite a few lines in staffords but most of them now go back to 1 dog in some way
have a look here
http://www.staffordmall.com/roadtohell.htm

same thing in my breed; in fact they he is still having puppies though he has been dead for a few years!

John - I know the dog to whom you are referring BUT he was by no means the most used Flatcoat!  I can think of at least 3 that were used much more.
Becky

It happens in all breeds Becky. I see in the Year Book that there was a total of 152 stud dogs last year which would give a very respectable gene pool. Pity there were 9 with neither hips or Glaucoma tested but even then, I bet that's better than most breeds! I wish we could claim figures like these in Labradors but the trouble there is that Labs attract so many irresponsible breeders and puppy farmers

Best wishes, John

And of the 152 dogs - HOW MANY have actually proved themselves by winning something.  Same with the bitches - what percentage are pure pets?

We get many people ringing us asking to use "any one of" our three stud dogs.  We ask the following questions to those people we don't know

1.  "Why do you want to breed a litter?".  Well you should hear the answers for that - ranging from "we want a clone of our bitch - she is so lovely" to "it will be nice for the children".

2.  "Do you understand what I mean when I say the breed standard?".  8 times out of 10 that is met by silence - they just have not got a clue of what they want to breed to and why.  I am sure lots of them are doing it with the best intentions but without reasonable knowlegdge of what they are doing it causes great damage to the breed.

I appreciate that everyone has to start somewhere and we have started many people off but those have been people that have WANTED to learn.  Nowaways the breed is full of instant experts who have bred from their first flatcoat who they have had for 3 years and suddenly they know it all.  This "knowledge" is then passed on to their new Flatcoat puppy owners who accepts what their "breeder" says because after all they have been in the breed for all of 3 years and so they must be good!!!!  It is laughable.
Becky

I completely agree with you Becky, except in as far as I doubt there is 117 Labradors tested for every 152 used at stud in fact I seriously doubt it would be half of that number.

Instant experts!! I bet we both know rather a lot of them! How many these days can really read a pedigree? Know the dogs they see there and know its good points and its failings? Very few in any breed. We see posts on here all the time, "My bitch is in season, where can I find a stud dog?" Four legs, a head and a tail would be an advantage but not essential! I don't even bother to read them these days. I studied pedigrees and put them with my Anna's as trial matings right from the start of the time that I first found what a good worker she was. Settled on the dog which most complimented her and sat back waiting for the right time to mate her but unfortunately the right time never came! She is now six and although it looks as if the right time for me is fast coming with her the days for a first litter are passing into the distant gloom. Sad, but I'm of the opinion that if I cannot do it properly then its better not to do it at all.

Best wishes, John

Is the lower price  not to do with the amount of puppies. My breed averages 4 pups where as larger breeds have far more.