Has anybody had diahorea & Sickness in a liter of puppies before? if so how often? and have you lost any puppies? Do you know what causes it? I have been up through the night now for 4 days feeding Lectade by syringe's and it doesn't seam to be working, now one of the pups has blood from her back passage and I am really worried! Please help? The puppies are now 9 weeks old.

have you had them to the vets yet???are they ok in themselves or are they very depressed, -4 nights is a long time in a pups life to be ill

Isn't this the same person who posted earlier about sickness and diorriah? About the vet being unsympathetic?

Yes it is, sory i am new to this website, didn't see puppy and breeding page at first, but would really like to hear from somebody who has had the same problem, i hope i havn't offended you

Nope , not at all :) Just hope everything goes okay

Thankyou, i will let you know

Yes every day for one week, pups now very docile, but don't seam to be in pain, they have had antibiotics, sickness injection and one has had a drip for 5 hours.Can't seam to get them eating again though. Boy has started to eat small amounts, but not enough in my opinion girl now still in vets, having fluid injected under skin . I have to collect her in 15 mins

I had this problem in a litter before christmas and one of the bitches ended up in the vets on a drip. She was not expected to survive but did, I also had 2 other pups who were ill and 2 who were fine.
Took 2 weeks of careful nursing to get them fit again. I too was syringing Lectade every hour.
The vet thought it was an infection brought in by someone who had visited the pups.
I stopped all visitors to the house and disinfected the puppy room and everything that went in or out of that room. I also stopped the other dogs in the house from getting their daily exercise, they had to make do with the garden.
The pups from that litter are now fit and healthy 6 mth olds
Good luck with your pups.

Good luck;)- hope it all turns out ok for you all- wish I could offer medical help or/and advice too but unfortunately I can't:(- just sympathy:(

Thankyou, your support is very helpful, as i'm am fighting this battle alone

Hi nicolla
Thanks for your reply, did any of your puppies bleed from the rear? I had a litter just after christmas that also caught a sickness bug, I used a different vets then, had all tests done, everything came back negative, 1 died, two ended up on drip, then we lost another that was on the drip from the same, bleeding from back passage. I just can't believe that we have now got the same problem back again, i really am tempted to withold applying for a breders licence and get my bitch's spayed. The heartache and traumor that goes with it so hard (especially on the children)

The bitch in the litter bled from her rear but she survived. She did stay with us until she was 12 weeks and fully fit.

I now use a disinfectant called Totalkil which guards against Parvo etc and shoes are not allowed in the puppy room for the full 8 weeks. All visitors have to wash their hands with soap and then with Hibiscrub on every visit. For visitors who have pets at home I ask before every visit whether the pet at home has been well. People don't mind if you explain that it is for the sake of the puppies.

Where do you buy this from? Totalkil? All my local pet shops don't have anything in like this, and i don't want to travel too far as I have poorly pups to look after!

For Totalkil contact Petcetera. There website address is www.petcetera.co.uk
They will mail it to you and normally deliver in 48 hrs.

When we went up to see my new pups last Tues- my breeder did this with us:D We were also allowed to stay at the door to view pups but not enter;) Another point for them then eh;)

Hi westiworld has you vet tested the pups faeces to determine the cause of infection? Tell him to do so. Have you asked him what he thinks they have.You must make sure they do not get dehydrated,that is your main concern at the moment dont worry about food KEEP THEM HYDRATED.I had my litter go down with parvo last year & had four of them on drips in my spare bedroom for weeks Be firm with your vet & tell him 1 week is too long & isn`t there something else he can do, like fast.
I haven`t read your other posts so will do that now.
Christine

Hi Christine, i have just brought the girl back from the vets, she is still trying to be sick, but has nothing left to bring up, last bloody bowl movement was at the vets at 7.30 pm, the vet seams to think she will not last the night, but i'm not giving up on her. She has always been the biggest strongest of the lot, she didn't get the bug while wednesday, she was sick for 6 hours diahorea the same, and off her food for 24 hours, by Thursday she was back to her normal self eaten 4 solid meals chicken & rice untill this lunchtime, when she started to bleed. Did your puppies bleed from the back passage?

Well I think your puppies have parvo. I also dont know why they are not responding to treatment if they were brought to vet as soon as they became sick.
I had a litter of sick puppies last september I noticed it in an hour truly . one minute they were all good and then I noticed one looking into a corner and the head was down I picked her up and twisted the fur near her neck . It stayed there so I knew I had trouble The vet came and treated her with injections and and oral AB'S. He said he expected them all to get sick one by one and they did .I was armed with injections of pure penacillin and oral medicine . dyoralite and glucose. they were five weeks ald then . I spent a week of pure hell not even sleeping . but the seven of them lived . My vet says it is a new virus strain of parvo . He reckons whole litteres were wiped out with it and he says I was the only person in the area that did not lose any pups. Iwas lucky. My vet says since they took away the serum that was available for all new born pups they have nothing now to protect them . I can never understand why it was stopped when it was so good . I hope you dont lose the pup I will be thinking of you lol Mari

Hi Mari thats what I thought straight away but didn`t like to say outright.
Mine started to get better but then I started to feed them small ammounts, as you do, & then they just went wham! right down. I have since learned from others NOT to feed them for a while until you are sure they are recovering. Have you hears that?
Christine

YES christine no food but my vet told me put a bit of glucose in the drinking water so that they had some energy from it if they decided to drink themselves. and as they became better babies abidex drops will get them on their feet quickly lol Mari

Mari whats abidex? When they were recovering he told me to get some stuff from the chemist & put it in their water but its a spanish name so I dont know what it is.
Christine

Abidex is baby vitamin drops .
Iam getting shivers down my spine reading the posts . frightening isent it . everyones biggest nightmare .
still plugging for pups . best wishes Mari

Hi Mari I`ve got that down, cos I might be able to get them in Gib, thanks. Horrible isn`t it, it brought it straight back about mine. Why hasn`t the vet kept her in the clinic on a drip or given her medication for the night?Strange. Anyway lets see if she turns round,I probably wont sleep now thinking about it.
Ive got some sites on giardia & camp(?) bacteria I can look up tomorrow if you like

Yep , sounds good, i'm going to sit with her now, as I can't hear her being sick from my computer. The vet did try to put a drip in but couldn't as the veins had collapsed, he injected fluid in for the night and offered to keep her till morning but said he couldn't do anything with her anyway and that she would probably not last the night, so i decided to bring her home for some tlc.

Thanks mari, sorry i didn't see your message earlier, did they start off with slimey pale cream diahorea?

Hi Westiworld, just fond your other posts. I think you need to get a vet to get them pups on a drip right now for a number of hours, overnight at least.Cant you get an emergency vet or something? Worry about complaining when they get better just get ANY vet you can who will do the treatmnt NOW if your own wont do it. My vet left allthe drugs in the syringes & I did them during the night & also the day if he couldnt get to the house. Some were 4hrly & some 6hrly.Lets know whats happening when you have time.
Christine

Hi again, the vet said he couldn't put a drip into her as her veins had collapsed? he has shaved both front paws trying, we havn't done any tests yet,cos i don't think the vet has much faith in her surviving the night.

Dont give her food she NEEDS intraveinous fluids with the anntibiotics & stuff to stop the vomiting given regularaly, mine had it every 6hrs & also vit.k Yes mine had projectile bloody vomit & diarrhea, veins collapsed but vet kept trying till he found one in the back leg. How high is her temp? Sponge her down with tepid water if needs be. Is she the only this bad now, how is the male?
Christine

I havn't given the girl any food or even fluids yet, (since lunchtime when she got it back)the vet said not to even try till 10.30 ish as he had injected some under her skin, the boy is recovering slowly, very tierd but he hasn't been sick for 30 hours now and has had one meal yesterday and 3 meals today. Her temperature is now a little below normal, and so we are keeping her warm as instructed by vet.(not being rude when i say that cos sometimes i think vets arn't always right, like this instance)Her temperature dropping is usually a bad sign as she is not fighting the infection good yes or no?

If the temps just below normal it could be shes turning the corner, but you still need to keep her warm. My male who had it the worst, had to be fed by teaspoonfuls, as his stomach couldn`t` take any more than that, several hours apart.
If her temp goes quite low keep her warm with electris heat pads
Christine

I have put her back in the whelping box on her own with the heat lamp on, she seams settled now, but won't sleep, sad old eyes looking at me.Which corner? Good or Bad?

Hi W I had ti stay with mine because of the drip & the injections I had to give but I believe being with them also gave them moral support & comfort.Their eyes followed me everywhere & if they couldn`t` see me they would try & turn so that they could. I wouldn`t leave her if I were you.Take her on the bed with you if poss or keep her on your knee.
Christine

Absolutely, i meant away from other dogs and her brother, i havn't and won't leave any of them when they are ill, even through the night if they need extra fluid, this is my fifth night without sleep, oh what fun

Sorry ww, its not always easy to see what people are saying on these computers is it? How long since any dia/vom now?

Well gave her a whole 1ml of fluid, 1.5 hours ago, and she's just been a little sick now, no blood though and nothing the other end.

Yep your right about these messages and computers, i'm still trying to work out this forum it's quite easy to miss messages isn't it? if more than one replies to the same question , it shuffles the orders around,

Good ww was it less vom than the fluid that went in? If so thats great.When mine came off the drip I had to measure the amount of fluid intake as well. Just keep thinking positive thoughts.
I`m always miising posts or I see them days after they`ve been posted & don`t even mention getting lost!!!
I spend ages wandering around sites & clicking on the wrong place & then end up back were I started,maddddeningggg.
Christine

Well ,she survived the night, didn't manage to get any more fluids down as she was been too sick too often, but saw my own vet this morning, he said he WILL get a drip into her, bleeding has eased from rear end, but a little more this morning, he's going to run a parvo test too.I have to ring back at 2.30 pm, but i'm feeling a little better now.All i need is sleep!!

Hi ww what a little fighter you`ve got, Ive been dying to know if she made it. Glad the vets going to sort it out & lets hope she will start to get better.Good idea to find out the cause of her problems as well & you can get some kip while you can now eh
Christine

Can't sleep, and yes she is a fighter, she prooved the ignorant vet wrong as well, the usual vet also recommended for any future litters a single parvo injection at 6 weeks, he has another breeder who has also had a lot of problems with d & s in puppies around this age. I can't seam to get rid of thhe horrible smell, any advice? I have washed everything including the carpets and used lots of air freshner, but it's still there

Hi ww I`ll tell you what Glasgow uni told me & Hal Thompson is one of the people who found the parvo virus(although it hasn`t been confirmed they have parvo). Parvocide & bleach is very good at killing it, the virus likes heat & a lot of cases happen when pups are born spring/summer.It can live in the envirement for up to a year,affects mostly pups or dogs under 1yr, elderly dogs vaccinated or not,( but can affect any dog) & I was advised not to have any dogs under 1yr at my premises for 1 year. It is practically impossible to disinfect a garden or field. You can transfer it on shoes, clothes, practically anything that the virus has touched.Mostly shoes as you could be picking it up anywhere & bringing it back home.So you see it is not very easy to eliminate. The pups shed the virus in the faeces for only a short time & the faeces test is the only 100% conclusive test for identifying parvo.Titre tests are very very good tho.Using tons & tons of water can help tp water the virus down.It was extremely hot here when my pups got it so all the windows were open & I had buckets of bleach everywhere & bowls of dettol & savlon. Try some cut lemons & lavender oils for the smell as well.I had used parvocide & bleach all over(inside & out) before the pups were born & afterwards. A very good spanish friend of mine who has had a lot of experience with dogs all his life said to me "if parvo decides to come to your house nothing you can do will stop it".It`s a virus & all we can do is take the best preventative measures we can. The most important thing if a pup has suspected parvo is to withhold food & water & get it on a drip straight away & treatment for diar/vom started at the same.
How are they all doing now & let us know when you hear from the vet.
Christine

Do you know of anything I could use to wash the carpet with? I have a very deep pile carpet and I think this may be a problem, although I did get it proffesionally cleaned after the last outbreak and deoderised, it may not have killed the bugs!

Vet Update!!
Ok yes they got a drip in but only a small butterfly needle that can't stay in, i can pick her up at 4.oopm ? I would of thought she needed to stay on the drip longer myself but I trust this vet more, they have given her some pain relief as well as antibiotics and anti sickness drugs don't know what types as I havn't paid yet!
The boy won't eat today and seams a lot more docile, I think he is missing holly as they like to be with each other. So the syringes of fluid are still being given.hey hum.

Hi ww thats good then, is her temp normal? Don`t be in a rush to feed him, just small amounts. I know you can buy parvocide there but I can`t find the place now maybe one of the others can help. If you look uop glasgow university diagnostic services they have info on feline parvo which is very similar to canine parvo.At least they got the drip in eh. They used the butterfly on mine for a while as well. We are wiyh you in spirit you know so just keep you chin.
Christine

I think it is very interesting to hear that your vet eventually put a drip in the back leg, also reassuring to know you had bleeding as well.
Thankyou for your help, you are given me some more hope in fighting this battle, where abouts are u? I am in Leeds West Yorkshire

We had days when it was only blood coming out both ways its a horrific disease.
Im in San Roque, Spain about 7 klm from Gibraltar. Hope everything turns round for your pups. Just ask if you need any more advice everyone here willdo their best. They were great when pups got ill.
Christine

Hi Christine, well i think vets must be different in spain, cos i havn't found one yet that will come to the house, she seams to be comfortable again, still no more blood since 7.30 and her sickness is easing a little.

WW Maris vet also told her the same about feeding, read her post. Glad shes a little more comfy,lets keep our fingers crossed.
Yes the vet I have now is great but I know other vets who will come to the house in an emergency or if you have to many to take the clinic Don`t they do that in UK?
Christine

I havn't found one that does yet!
The emergency vets, are also always different to the normal vet at the practise, usually miles away as well, different every week, and very annoying when you have a sick pet needing help, you don't want to be map reading or asking for directions.

Christine, did all your puppies survive that caught parvo?