hi,
can anyone tell me the procedure for showing neutered dogs? i believe you have to have permission from the kennel club, is that right? if so how do you go about getting permission? my eldest dog was neutered before i got him and would like to start showing him, just for fun, as i know most judges do not place castrated dogs highly,
many thanks,
kelly + boys,

You just write to the KC quoting your dogs kennel name and telling them that he's been neutered and you'd like permission to show him. They then write backing saying OK!

hi,
do i have to tell them when and where he was neutered?
thanks,
kelly

Give them the date & the reason, ie because he was rehomed or whatever...........they may decline if he was cryptorchid!

No, I don't think they can refuse now. Regulations now state
"Operations to prevent breeding, provided that such operations are notified to the Kennel Club before neutered dogs are shown." There is nothing about getting approval or asking permission, you just need to notify the KC.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

I think they'll know where he was neutered. . . . . . . . . . . .Oh! Sorry, I see what you mean! :O

John You're so naughty nowadays !! Have you been @ the whisky ??

Anyway, you shouldn't mock, today my vet drew a lovely picture and explained the entire op to me (I covered young mockodiles ears). I have to say, it made me feel a bit shaky.......although, suprisingly, I learnt quite a bit, didn't know they inverted them...... very interesting!!

Beth :)

What happens if you show a dog who has not got his 'bits' descended, friends took a pup of ours who is now 5 months old, his testicles apparantly are sometimes up and sometimes nearly down if you get my meaning !. The vet has advised them to operate at eight months old but they would like to show him, I read a previous thread which says they can take ages to come down. These pups were prem and hand reared, I have asked them not to be too hasty in operating but the vet says there is a big risk of cancer.

Lorraine

There is a greatly increased cancer risk in retained testicles but not at such a young age. I have heard of a testicle descending at 18months but that is extremely rare. I would go for the operation if they do not descend, but not till the dog was about 2 years old.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Yoyo testicles are fairly common in young puppies, you try to touch and they disppear. Don't let your friend do anything until the dog is mature. All breed standards say a male dog should have "two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum" you can show a dog who has a shortage but the judge will probable view it as a severe fault, which is one of the reasons a casterated dog is at a dis-avantage as most judges don't ask and even if they do they only have your word for it, as you can't realy produce a vets letter in the middle of the ring (have people think you were trying to bribe the judge (see are all shows fixed)) JH

Have heard it said that in the US vets will, for a fee, insert falses. And in one case it was done too soon and when the dog produced one of his own the poor thing ended up with three - bet that suprised a few judges - how would you keep a straight face. :) Jackie H

I had a miniature poodle dog whose second testicle didn't descend until he was about 15 months old. He is now 9 and is fine, so "hang on" in there for a bit longer.

On the KC website, you can apparantly download the relevant form to fill in.

I show a neutered lad. He's one of the numerically large breeds (labrador). Some judges pull their hands away in disgust, but i have to say that to date, it's only happened to him a few times.

I'm very selective about who I put him under though. To date he's been to 3 champ shows and has won two 2nds and a 1st!!! I'm not complaining about that!

Good luck with your application and let us know how you get on showing him.

Di and Storm, oh and the rest of the gang!

hi,
thanks for your message. i have downloaded the form and will send it off once i have his papers, i have to transfer ownership with the belgium kennel club first ( he is a belgium import) so then i can register him in this country. so it will be a while before i can show him, but we are off to ringcraft tonight to see how he likes it!
kelly

Good luck with your boy, and enjoy your showing. I think you will have to resign yourself to the fact that he will be at a disadvantage against entire dogs and you may well find that some judges won't place him at all, others will judge him on his merit but if they have two fairly equal dogs, and one has testicles and the other hasn't the one with will get the higher place. This does not mean you may not do fairly well or even very well if he is good but you may well have some disappointments.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

hi,
i know my boy will probably be placed lower against entire dogs (if at all) but i figure if i am going to the show anyway then why not take him along and let him have a go? sure beats him leaving him at home! he means the world to me regardless, so wont be dissapointed if he does not win anything at all.
kelly

I tried to show a dog that wasn't entire and my advice is to leave him at home it saves on all the heartache and the cost of entering.

I'd report any judges who appear to be prejudice against neutered dogs to the KC. Although I dont see the point personally the KC does allow it so they should be unbiased.

I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you to a certain extent, Jan.

Storm has rarely been dismissed for being neutered. To be honest, the judges that have backed away in disgust were ones that I should have thought longer and harder about entering under in the first place. One of them writes a weekly feature in DW and I already knew that person's opinion of neuts - but I'll put that down to experience.

Labradors are a very strong breed numerically, and if I can go to 3 champ shows so far and get placed well at each one - each time under a breed specialist - then I shall continue to exhibit him and enjoy it. Luckily for me, my boy is a good example of the breed (I hate blowing my own trumpet really, but I've been told it from many experts. The number of stud enquiries we've had must also say something - we're in Devon, and people have wanted to come down from as far as Inverness and Northumbria and we've even had interest from Switzerland!) If people truly think he's that good, then I'm blowed if I'm going to leave him at home when I'm going to shows.

I can appreciate what you're saying though, and I do admit that I won't enter at all breeds champ shows unless I feel that the judge is going to really like him - enough to be brave enough to put him up above well known kennels' entire dogs! All breed shows are just too expensive. But the more affordable breed club champ shows I'm definately taking him to if I feel the judge is the right one for him.

Respect your opinion though

Best wishes

Di

Im Intrigued by your post and curious as to who this dog is Im in Labs too.

The fact that your dog can't be used for breeding to my mind is not a problem, what he is depicting is the good breed points in his line and as a judge I would not be that concered that he was not a viable stud but the fact that his dam and sire had produced this fine example. Those who admire him can research his background and use dogs from his line - think those who will allow their stud to be used to excess are more problem than those who don't or can use them at all. Only thing is some use castration to hide a medical problem that could be passed down the line and in this case it will cause harm to the breed if their direct line is used without a lot of understanding of genitics. Jackie H