Okay, here's the story. Nine months ago, my Siberian husky girl gave birth to seven puppies. I kept one for myself and gave a female to the stud dog owner's mother. The stud owner and his mother live together.

Since the puppies are nine months old now, the little girl who went to the mother, Patti, has come into season. She's been in season for two weeks now. Patti doesn't know much about dogs... The little girl had stopped bleeding but was still very swollen, so thinking she was done, Patti put the pup into the pen with Jake, her own father. Where is Jake's owner? Away from home.

Patti was alerted ten minutes later by Shahoona's cries only to find her and Jake, her father, tied together. They were pulled apart and they haven't been put together since. This happened Saturday, July 3rd.

Shahoona is nine months and might be pregnant with her own father's puppies!!!!!!!

There is nothing I can do because I don't own her. I have given the advice of a "morning-after" jab but Patti didn't take the dog. So that's too late. I then suggested having her spayed, removing the embryos at the same time, resulting in no pregnancy. I don't know what Patti is going to decide...

So basically, I am asking for fellow dog lovers' support and encouragment. Will little Shahoona be okay? Will she more than likely give birth without problems? (Her mother gave birth beautifully) What are the chances of the puppies being deformed or messed up in any way?

I am so scared... I should have known that Patti would have made this mistake sometime... She always told me that she would have Shahoona spayed. Now Shahoona is pregnant with her father's puppies....

I need your helpful words, everyone! Please help a broken heart out...

-Tara

I don't think it is too late for the morning after jab, I'm pretty certain I've seen on a previous post that it can be done quite a few days after mating now.  Get her to the vet, I'm sure there is something they can do!

I would say yes, she is way too young for a litter, also I'm not certain but I didn't think you could register a litter with the KC from a bitch under 12 months old?  I'm sure somebody will be along soon to put me right if I'm wrong.

These puppies aren't with the KC, they are ACA. We're from America. =) I am hoping the ACA won't register them, either though. Hopefully they'll have the sence to figure this out.

As well as the little girl going to the vet, the dog should as well. If they were pulled apart, he could have suffered damage.

Do you mean they litterally pulled them apart? If so both bitch and dog can have damaged parts and have alot more problems now and in the future, and if this is the case I would tell them to mention that to the vet and have their parts looked at....if you mean after they seen them mating and they were done their tie then they seperated them from each other ok

She is young and I would recomend a abortion spay, but does not mean she will have a problem having the pups and she may be a fantastic mother too with no problems. That is taking a big chance on a what if, but totally up to them on what they want to do. I would just keep a close eye on her especially during this time if they decide to let her have them since she is still a puppy herself.

good luck :)

If they were pulled apart, literally, and this bring tears to the eyes, they should both see a vet. As for the bitch, the vet can give her and injections to abort whatever has been conveived - the window of opportunity on this is about 35 days or so. But the bitch and her health and her maturity level must be paramount, and getting her to the vet asap is a priority. I would not advise that at 9 months she is ready for a litter and by the sounds of it neither is the owner!!!

I thought that pulling them apart during the tie was a mistake, as well. But sadly yes, they were pulled about while in a perfectly well done tie. Neither dog seems to be damaged though. But as much as I have pleaded and encouraged, the owners won't take either dog to the vet. It seems to me and the owner of Shahoona wants her to have these puppies. Part of me also thinks that she put Shahoona in with Jake on purpose for lack of another stud dog. Siberian huskies aren't that common around where I live, so Jake was available, why not? In her eyes, anyways.

I do hope that Shahoona will be okay... I've shed so many tears for her its not funny. I should have never let Patti adopt her as her own... Even though she is given a great, wonderful home with lots of love and attention, some things just aren't taken seriously around there.

So you all think that little Shahoona will be okay and will hopefully give birth with no problems? I hope so...

As others have said, both dog and bitch need to be seen by a vet. As you are aware, the dog has a bone in his penis that can be broken if the tie doesn't end naturally, which can therefore cause many other problems in that area (infection, urinary problems if the bone heals wrong, etc). The bitch's vagina may equally be damaged, which may not evidence itself until (if she is pregnant and it is allowed to proceed) she prolapses during whelping.

Maybe these things won't happen, but it is more than possible.

She may give birth with no problems but will she take care of the puppies may be another story. Since she is just a puppy herself she very well could have a terrible time accepting those puppies. Rejection of newborns is often seen with very young bitch's like this. Maturity in the bitch is a key factor on how well she will raise the litter.

Her buyer may well find herself dealing with raising these puppies by hand, having the bitch be aggressive with them, or worse...kill them if she's not watched closely.

I'm not trying to scare you any more than you already are but you may want to pass this along to her owner so she's aware of what could happen.

Hopefully these things won't and she'll be a wonderful mother.

Hello,
    I am in the USA also. What is ACA? I have never heard of this registry.
    Some vets are now recommending that you actually wait until the embryos can be scanned and then use a prostaglandin IV to clear out the uterus.
     I don't believe that this puppy should be forced to have a litter. A spay at this time is the BEST option, to prevent future "mistakes". The spay can be done at any time during pregnancy, but of course, becomes more difficult with time.
                                                                                            TiaLee

Think the poster must have meant AKC, but if not may be they will post and put me right.

Nope, I meant ACA. Its a registry below the AKC. It is just as good and is much less expensive. It offers much of the same things but is much smaller and so doesn't offer as much. I do believe the ACA hosts dog shows just like the AKC, just not huge shows. My Sibe bitch is registered with both the AKC and the ACA while her pups are registered only with the ACA. ACA stands for American Canine Association, Inc.

I have great news!!!!!!!!!

I was just told that Shahoona has a vet appointment to be spayed this coming Monday! Oh I am so excited, so happy. The family had a talk about it and they decided it would be best for little Shahoona to have her spayed. They had "planned" on spaying her after her first season, anyways. I just only hope that they go through with it and that Patti doesn't change her mind and decide she wants puppies after all. How great is this???

-Tara

Must say I have never heard of the ACA perhaps something like the DLC in the UK.

That's great news Tara, you must be so relieved!  Fingers crossed that they go through with it :)

Lesley

"Nope, I meant ACA. Its a registry below the AKC. It is just as good and is much less expensive."

Hi Tara,
      I am sorry, but you have been mislead about this "registry".
      It is one of many that have been set up by puppy millers that have been suspended from the AKC. Actually, the millers have realized that they can make even more money off of the poor puppies they produce by taking registration money on them, too. You can register ANY dog with these registries, which means that you have no idea if the dog is purebred or not. Most do not maintain any kind of studbook, anyway.
     I am VERY glad to hear that the puppy bitch is being spayed. Please do not feel badly that you were lied to about this registry. Many, many pet buyers also believe the propaganda about "it's better than AKC". It simply is not.
                                                                                                TiaLee

Did not know but that what I feared, just like the DLR in the UK, anyone can submit anything they like there is no continuity and the pedigree is useless.

Tialee
the poster has not only bought a dog with this registry(the dog in questions mother) but then bred it and  and registered the pups with this same resgistration if I have understood this right... 
Archer

Sorry, but I still enjoy being a member of the ACA. If people misuse it and treat it unfairly, shame, shame, shame on them. But I don't believe it allows ANY dog to be registered. Here's why I think this:

My first girl was originally registered with the AKC only. I then researched and found the ACA and send off for a registration form to see if I could double register Kieron. Not for any special reason, I just thought it couldn't hurt anything. They sent me a form and said that I had to provide a copy of Kieron's AKC registration paper before they would register her. Appearently, they contacted AKC and confirmed Kieron's purebred lines and only then did they allow her to be registered. I registered her pups with the ACA because the stud dog I used was ACA registered and so the pups were ACA, too. I didn't think it was of any harm. I researched the stud's pedigree and all looked excellent!

I never knew about people misusing the ACA, I've always thought of it as a great thing and I will keep this in mind the next time I buy a purebred dog. But I won't bash the ACA or fall away from them because I think they have been honest with me.

But don't think I am totally ignoring your warnings, I am glad for them. I honestly had no idea the ACA did these kind of things with dogs. But like I said, it refused to register my dog until it checked her background, so that's what they did.