Help! i am the proud owner of a 14 week old english springer boy. He is a lively lad , needs a lot of input which i am enjoying but he seems to be taking a long time to house train. My older dog a 7 year old collie cross was trained by 12 weeks, dry at night etc he is not crate trained. I have read all the books and taken advice from this forum. but still no go. He seems to have a couple of good days and i think great we are getting somewhere but then he has a relapse and whenever i turn my back pees or poos  wherever he can, current favourate place is my daughters bedroom which is not going down too well. Any advice would be a great help. 

It sounds like for 14 weeks he has way too much freedom in the house so accidents are more likely (after all you don't have eyes in the back of your head).  To such a young puppy your daughters bedroom is as good a place as any, as it is away from his earting and sleeping place.

You were very lucky with your first dog, as a puppy has very little vluntary control of it's bladder until around 5 months of age, and when he needs to go he needs to go now, and if he has become distracted, or is too far away to get outside he will go where he happens to be.

The more accidents he has the more it will seem to him that toileting in the house is OK.

I would go right back to the start.  Keep him in the kitchen with access say to one other room (the fam8ily/ditting room) when yu are able to watcvh him all the time.  Take him out after waking, eating, playing, and every 15 minutes while he is awake,a dn maje a huge fuss of him when he performs, and give him a treat.

You will soon find him running outside and squeezing out a few drops just to get the praise and treat.  This will become habit, and hopefully with no opportunity for accidents the habit will be broken of going indoors.

Thanks for the advice back to the beginning for us! i do try to keep him in the kitchen, he sleeps there at night in his bed and when i go out and strangly enough he doesnt often leave anything, exept at night although not every night. The trouble usually starts when he is having one of his mad moments and is racing around i can open the kitchen door and he is off up the stairs and before i catch him he does the dirty deed. Butter wouldent melt in his mouth now though as he is asleep in his bed like a little angel!

In that case I'd recommend a stairgate. If he can't get upstairs, he can't mess up there ...
:)

You could also keep him on leash this way where ever you go so does he, even take him out on leash to do his business, use a command word like hurry up, go pee which ever works for you and go to the same spot everytime. When he has done his business you could allow a romp outside and lots of praise/treat. When inside and ur able to give 100% of your time allow him off lead but only after he did his duties outside. :)

I use baby gates and I gotta say I love them, keeps my dogs from going upstairs when Iam not home :)

I use a baby gate too - not for my children but for Oscar - also an ESS
Now he has figured out how to open it if it's only locked on the bottom clip - clever dogs! :D

Hi, I'm butting in as a bit of a frequent puppy sitter of a cocker spaniel, I don't know your circumstances but I dog sit my mum's pup and I leave my back door open all the time and he ran out to pee and pooh without even asking.  Peeing in the house is normal but I have those puppy pampers pad things (why didn't I think of that????!) but he prefers to go outside.  Are you in a bungalow?  How does he get to the bedroom?  Use a gate? I honestly find pups relate to a good telling off (no smacks), just babies after all. 

CG