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Topic Dog Boards / General / Ref: Puppy Farms
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 20.06.04 16:39 UTC
A site to visit http://www.combeglenbassethounds.co.uk/comberescue.htm it's a 3 tissue read but worth the effort despite the irritating Angels
- By jules [us] Date 20.06.04 16:51 UTC
It is unbelievable that this sort of thing goes on, but unfortunately for the dogs, it does.  (See what you mean about the angels) Jules
- By woomeg [gb] Date 20.06.04 18:12 UTC
This is the first ive heard of puppy farms didnt know they existed, does anyone know of any in yorkshire
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 20.06.04 18:16 UTC
If you look in your local free paper, if there is a regular advertisement from one place for several breeds of dog, then those pups are almost certainly puppy farmed.

The NCDL (now Dogs' Trust) and RSPCA have been campaigning for many years to ban puppyfarming. It would be interesting to find out how many other people have missed hearing about them, because clearly the publicity departments are doing a very poor job. :mad:
- By Timhere [gb] Date 20.06.04 18:18 UTC
Very sad, but a touch of irony when you link back to their puppies for sale page?
- By pat [gb] Date 21.06.04 22:11 UTC
The NCDL now (Dogs Trust) only committed themselves one year back in 1994 to specifically campaigning against puppy farming this was called the Free Fido Campaign. The RSPCA have never taken on this issue, only comming in with a comments after being asked by the media for a commnet on this issue or being called in by the authorities when such a place is being investigated. To the best of my knowledge they have never committed time or money to investigate puppy farming. You are right the publicity departments are not making an issue of puppy farming bacause neither organisation commits themselves to the puppy farming trade long term.  It is a clandestine trade and neither will commit the time to investigate the issue properly with good undercover work.
Puppywatch which is a charity (with a web site) was a number of years ago at the forefront of this issue but in recent years are not involved in investigative work but try to educate the public about sensible puppy purchase. Hope UK and puppy_alert are very knowledgable on this issue and both have web sites. Unfortunately, both run on a shoe string as neither are charities and whatever one may think the costs of telephone calls, stationary etc does add up over the years. Even though they are self supporting, (as neither ask for funds), they have gained respect for their work. There is also Wag which is a charity and therefore funded, they too have a web site, I think all have something positive to offer with different approaches to this issue unfortunately unlike the Dogs Trust or RSPCA they do not have millions of pounds in the bank, if they did I am sure this issue would be pushed into the media for attention far more than it is now.          
- By gwen [gb] Date 20.06.04 18:46 UTC
Woomeg, you have to remember too that the term "Puppy Farm" can bemisleading, as many a puppy farm is run from a house, allotment (true in my area, I am afraid!) or a collection of family members who swap dogs, pups, registrations.  "Back Yard Breeders" and "Puppy Farmers" are pretty much the same thing- unethical breeders, out for money, with no thought to the animal welfare, their misery, and the outcome for the pups or thier new families.
bye
Gwen
- By KateL [ch] Date 21.06.04 13:49 UTC
The American term for a puppy farm is much more correct.  They call them "Puppy Mills". 
- By woomeg [gb] Date 21.06.04 14:09 UTC
I was looking through yellow pages this morning, I had a look at the breeders, do you mean that people who are advertising 3 or more breeds of dogs are puppy farms
- By archer [gb] Date 21.06.04 14:27 UTC
Another problem is the 'puppy supermarkets'....guess where most of their 'stock' comes from!
Archer
- By Brainless [gb] Date 21.06.04 14:56 UTC
Generally yes.  Though saying that there are very good breeeders who over a long time in dogs have more than one breed, especially if there are several family members all with an interest in dogs, but these would be unlikely to advertise in the yellow pages.

This is the reason that many people who are casually hoping to breed from their bitch, or use their dog at stud get negative posts.  Often the people are well meaning enough, but haven't thought the situation through. 

They also don't seem to realise that care for the pups does not end upon sale, and that they may not sell the pups by 8 to 12 weeks of age.

The puppy dealers and supermarkets often buy their pups from such breeders who are glad to let them go as a job lot, not the way puppies as living feeing creatures destined to live in a family setting, need to be treated. 

This is without even going into the standard and health of the pups produced.

Often the people who buy pups on a whim witll go to these places, adn then after a few months another statistic for rescue.  Teh original breeders never take responsibility, unlike most reputable ones.
- By Sally [gb] Date 21.06.04 14:40 UTC
My Hovis has a similar story to tell. :(  18 months ago we got him away from a puppy farmer where he was used as a stud dog.  He was so terrified of people that he was frozen with fear and it was a good few weeks before he would come out of the corner of the room without me lifting him out.  He now runs and plays and is generally very happy but is still very frightened of people, even those he has known all this time.  Just something as simple as a washing basket left on the floor when he walks in the door will send him into a panic. The difference in him now though from when we first got him is more than we ever hoped for and I adore him (and him me, I hope ;) )
- By Jo-Basset [gb] Date 21.06.04 16:21 UTC
Did you say 3 tissues or 3 boxes Jackie!
I sat looking at my hound feeling physically sick...however, it was an extremely valid reminder of reality and, that those armed with little knowledge must be made aware.
- By candie [gb] Date 22.06.04 10:53 UTC
I have noticed the same person is selling pups of all breeds on one of the websites, who do i contact about it?please don't say the rspca! 
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 22.06.04 11:17 UTC
They are not braking the law. But if you want to make life difficult your could start asking the council about their licence and asking when they were last inspected and can you see the report. Could also ask the Inland Revenue if they are aware how much they are selling. Nasty but about the only way.
- By Sally [gb] Date 22.06.04 11:29 UTC
I have had dealings with two different local councils about puppy farms and they more or less tell you to mind your own business.  I very much doubt if they would let you see their report.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 22.06.04 12:27 UTC
I doubt it to, but there is nothing like making a nuisance of ones self.
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