Hello,

I understand that it is quite acceptable for a breeder to place a ban on an owner studding their dog.  How does this work?  Is it necessary to sign some sort of agreement between the owner and breeder or is it the breeder that simply applies for the ban via the KC?

I would be grateful for any advice.

Thanks

The breeder can put breeding restrictions on a litter, which means both male and female pups should not be bred from, if they are bred from, none  of the pups can be registered with the kennel club......sadly this doesn't stop all people breeding from them :-(  You do need to tell the future pup owners that this restriction has been placed on the litter before you agree to sell them a pup, I normally get the new owner to sign a contract to say they know about the restriction too.

The breeder puts the endorsement onto the puppy's registration when the names are applied for, and the buyer signs that they are aware of the presence of the endorsement/s. The breeder is usually happy to remove the endorsement when the animal is adult and has grown up to be a good example of its breed.

Thanks for that information.

What happens if the new owners did not know that the dog could not be bred from and there is no contract or agreement?  Do the KC have to see some kind of agreement or could a breeder technically just apply for it without the owners ever knowing?

Just to clarify, I am the new owner!

I don't particularly wish to stud the dog at present but was surprised that the option was taken away from me without me knowing. 

You would have to prove to the Kennel Club that you were unaware that the restriction was placed on the dog, the registration shows this restriction and although it is generally thought that you also have to sign that you have read and understood the restriction it will not always apply. Much easier if you wish to breed you have all the tests done and then ask the breeder to lift the restriction. Think it would be fair to say that the restrition is the norm these days.

I find it incredible that breeders still are forgetting to get a letter signed explaining the endorsements. It clearly says it on the litter registration form.

I wonder when this does crop up, is it the case that no letter of explanation was giving? is it that the new owners forget and didn't quite fully understand? or is it a change of heart later on if breeding becomes attractive?

We seem to get this question quite often and it always makes me wonder.

If you were not made aware of the restriction at the time you bought the puppy, then it's possible the KC will lift the ban themselves, without the breeder's agreement.

If your dog was bought purely as a pet it is possible that he might have faults that rule him out of showing and breeding.

The seller should have told you this.  I sold two of my pups with a limited registration due to a slight underbite in each pup.  One has grown out of it, but the owner didn't mind the restriction because she had no initention of breeding her, and in fact just had her spayed.  But I told both people right away when I found the fault that the pup would be limited and gave them the option of picking another pup. 

Ussher
if your pups breeder was reputable then when your dog is an adult and has had all neccessary health tests done with good results and he is a good example of the breed if you go back to the breeder they will remobe the restrictions. If your dog does not pass the health tests or prove to bee  a good breed example then you shouldn't breed from him anyway.
I would speak to the breeder and discuss future actions
Archer

I do this with all my puppies, including any I am keeping myself.  Have even had the KC ring me to tell me that the bitch whose litter I was just registering still had her 'endorsements' in place, put there by me, and would I like to lift them in order that the litter could be registered :D

It is something that good breeders do to safeguard the breed and their own reputaion, in trying to ensure that only the most suitable examples are bred from.

There seems to be some idea that breeders are just being difficult when they put a restrition on their pups and in some way trying to keep breeding as a closed shop, nothing could be further from the truth. Even the most carefully bred litters are likely to have pups with problems ranging from being very sick to having a slight conformation fault. Breeding is a science in the amount of work and research that goes into planning a sound and quality litter, but as with all science the end result can be a disappointment. Breeders who have put years of work and knowledge into what they produce care very deeply that should they produce a pup that has either a health problem or a conformation fault should not be bred from. So most put a restriction on the progeny being registered until such times as they are able to assess that the dog in question is a sound and good example of it's breed. Why, it is a matter of love for the breed and personal pride in their own work.

Does it cost to have restrictions lifted.
Chow

Some breeders are just difficult though. Someone I know had a pup as a stud fee. This pup went on to be top puppy that year and passed all the health checks. When they requested the restrictions be removed they were refused. The reasons being that the owner had judged the breeders dogs at a champ show and only placed them fifth, 'so obviously you don't think anything of my breeding, so I won't lift the restrictions'! No amount of letter writing to the KC would sort this out.

My pup is the progeny of Show Champion and International Champion, the breeder informed me of the restriction before I decided to by him. He may be from excellent parentage but this will not neccessarily make him a good dog to breed from. I signed a contract with the breeder with the agreement that if he shows well and all BVA tests are good only then will she lift the restriction. I am quite happy to accept this as I would not intend to use him as stud if he was:- a) not conforming to standard, b) fail any of his health tests or exceed average on hip score, and c) if there was any concern regarding his temperament. It is a shame that there are some problems regarding breeders but I do think that most restrictions are in place for the good of the breed, Whatever your chosen breed may be.

Kay

Brainless,

I endorsed all of mine also even the ones I kept and was thinking this same thing just the other day.  I thought if I sent it it may be stating the obvious but obviously not :-)))