Hello,

I was wondering whether or not a breeder can register a ban on showing their pups; so that the new owner cannot show the pup at all?

I hope someone can help me.

Thanks

No, a breeder cannot ban anyone from showing their own dog.
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Well I suppose they could have a document drawn up that would state that the pup could not be shown but I have not heard of it. Some breeders will not release the registration documents until they have decided that the dog is worth showing, bit heavy handed if you ask me.

Ok, because I have been told by a breeder that she has placed a ban on showing my pup via the KC.  When I was upset by this as I would love to attend a couple of shows, she said she may think about lifting the ban!!

I am glad you have said she can't do this as I was confused as to what purpose this would achieve for the breeder.

Thanks

Hmmm, methinks the relationship between you and your breeder is not all it could be!

Well if the dog is not to standard they would not want it shown. It seems you have a problem with the breeder of your pup and may be you would do best to try and sort this problem out with them, it would seem that either they do not understand the KC rules or you have misunderstood. I take it you have transferred the pup to your name and it is now fully your property.

The breeder is definately open to questions but I feel worried they are giving me wrong information as they know I understand very little about how it all works.  I agree that I could have misunderstood as this is all new to me! 

This raises another problem.  We haven't received the registration docs as yet.  We understand that the KC are processing them.  We have had the pup about 7-8 weeks now.  I am starting to feel really concerned about the whole thing.

Please reassure me that the breeder is legally entitled to pass on the registration documents.

You should have been given the registration documents with your pup to sign and send off to the kennel club.  I sent mine off to the kennel club and they were returned to me within a week.

The breeder does not have to sell a puppy with its KC regerstation, infact they do not have to register the whole litter (very unusal)

As far as I am aware the only restriction a breeder can put on a dog is breeding but not all breeders want their dogs showen if they are not of a show quality.

I would contact the KC to make sure there actually IS a registration. This breeder sounds quite dodgy from what you've told us. What breed is it out of interest, and is the breeder well known within the breed? Did you sign a contract for a KC reg dog?

can i also ask a question, did you see this litter advertised or was it word of mouth the reason i ask, some people will put in there advertisment, show quality and some say pet homes only, my friend was stung like this, she did not tell me she was going for a puppy, and when she bought it the breeder said oh the kc papers are being sent to me as we speak 5 months down the line no kc papers,my friend contacted the breeder and she said Oh let me check you only bought a pet home puppy so no papers with that sorry,when she tried to check with the kc they had no recognition of the name or the pups.
Ally was quite upset by this as she did want to show the puppy,but now she is just a family pet who will be doing agility and obedience, but she says next time if the kc papers are not with the pup she won't be parting with any money.
So please get in touch with the kc and check,and also let us know what breed it was .
Hope everything works out for you
Carol

Whilst not defending the breeder, I wonder did your friend tell the breeder that she wanted to show the puppy?

Think the only restrictions the breeder can put on the registration is (not for breeding) and (not for export) but if you have no papers it is academic anyway as you can't show or breed a litter to be registered without the registration papers and the transfer of the puppy to your name.

Some breeders of quality dogs will not register the pups until they have seen the pup at about 6 to 8 months and satisfied themselves that the pup is of good enough quality to bear their name, if the pup is, then the pup will be registered and the owner will be given the paperwork. Mind you late and single dog registration costs a good deal more and when you have already paid top price for a well bred pup IMO this sort of behaviour is a bit of a liberty, still as long as you know I suppose it is up to you the purchaser to buy or not. Your case seems a bit different, why not give us all the information from the moment you found out about the pup to now and we will see if we think there is anything you can do.

Did you get anything in writing from your breeder when you bought the dog?  I.e not to be shown, KC registrations to follow?

I don't register my pups until fairly late on but I always sign a document to say that it will follow shortly.  It does only take at the most a couple of weeks now for registrations to go through so I wd. be contacting the KC to make sure that registration has been requested.

Do you meant Legally obligated to???

Do you have a reciept for your puppy saying that you are to be forwarded the KC documents??

There used to be 3 endorsements that could be placed on a dogs registration, onew of wh98ich was not eligible for show, but now there are only 3, not eligible for Issue of an export pedigree, and Progeny not eligible for registration.

So if it is the UK you are talking about then the only problem you would have regards showing is if you were going to live abroad, and wanted to register the dog there with a Kennel Club with whom the British Kennel Club have reciprocal agreements.

At one time breeders could endorse their litters as 'Not  eligible for competition'. This was a way of protecting IR breeds. Do the KC no longer offer breeders this option?

There certainly used to be an endorsement "Not eligible for entry at Shows, Field Trials or Working Trials held under KC Regulations", but that was dispensed with some years ago (sometime since 1996). Now there are only two endorsements: "Progeny not eligible for Registration" and "Not eligible for an export pedigree".

It's possible that if the breeder was using one of the old green registration forms it might still have the box for this, but the new white form doesn't, so the no-show endorsement won't exist, although the breeder might think it does.

Sorry for delay in replying.  Something about enabling cookies!!!

As the breeder is advertised on champdogs, I presume it is a reputable breeder.  We have been given the family tree and a 6 week pet plan insurance but no receipt.

I have been calling the KC and was told today that pups were registered last week.  I am sure the docs. will get sent through to me in time.

Thank you all so much for your help.  This was my first post on champdogs and I will definately be back - hopefully to offer some words of wisdom to someone else!!!!

Good news, sounds as if your breeder may have found the litter too time consuming and did not get around to sending off the paperwork. Lets hope you get the papers soon and that if there are restricions and you ever need them lifted you will have no trouble getting that done.

Ussher
the fact that the breeder was advertised on CD does not make him/her a reputable breeder ......I'm afraid its down to the purchaser to do their homework and check the breeder out before buying.
Archer 

No this was taken away sometime ago. There was thread on this recently on another site.