Hi all, i have a white siberian husky which i think is absloutely stunning. She is top show quailty but doesnt like the ring as she gets soooo excited with other dogs and training goes out the window. Well, i was out walking her when  someone asked me if she was a samoyed,  when i said she was a husky she asked 'Why on earth did you get a white one'. She then said that she knows a breeder who sold 4 of her dogs because they kept on throwing white pups! I couldn't believe it! She said mine was the most beautiful white husky she had ever seen. I kept her as i bred her and to me she was definatley top breed standard despite colour. I know many breeders and if they have a white pup they are 9/10 the last to go. WHY!!!!! What is the matter with people, i know everyone who wants a husky wants a wolf look-a-like, to me the white dogs are just as beautiful. Its sad to see that these pups find it hard to find homes due to their colour. It seems temperment has nothing to do with it! As far as the breeder who sold her dogs because of throwing whiyes pups................................. she should be banned from breeding!

I'm sorry I don't agree with you there.  Although white is an accepted colour I am assuming they do not do aswel in the show ring as wolf grey and even the reds.  If I was looking at sibes then I wouldn't want a white one, they don't look the same personally.

Why do you want th breeder who sold on the bitches who threw only whites banned from breeding?  She hasn't done anything wrong, as it is you don't know the full story!

People like different colours, it happens in aussies, and to extent happens in Red and Whites (people either like lots of red or not so much red etc)  I think you should accept that some people don't like some colours, not to mention the more "steryotype" sibe has a grey wolf colour!

Well I happen not to agree with you. YOU SHOULD NOT BREED FOR EYE OR COAT COLOUR, full stop. You should breed for optimum standard and temperment. The only reasons whites dont do as well is because people prefere the greys and blacks. I know many whites who have better formation than greys and blacks but dont even get alook in becasue the judge prefers other colours. And yes this breeder shouldnt breed because all she cares about is MONEY, because the other colours sell better.  In the past there have been many great white husky champions all across the world. I know people have their preferances, but if you are going to breed from a dog and a specific breed where white pups are a possibilty then you should except this as part of the package and not sell on your dogs just because they dont produce the colour you or anybody else wants!!!!!!!! And if you dont want white pups then you shouldnt really be breeding.

I am a Sibe breeder myself and know exactly where you are coming from. I bred my red and white husky girl to a pure white boy. The white boy has to be one of the most beautiful dogs I have ever seen in my entire life. His temperment is wonderful as is his obedience. I bred these two together to GET white pups. Kieron ended up having four white beauties and three black and whites. Since blacks and grays seem to be the most popular, I only advertised the white puppies since the blacks would be the first to go. It worked like a charm. The people who came to see the puppies didn't care about the blacks because they were coming to buy a pure white. After all four whites were sold, I didn't even have to sell the blacks. One died mysteriously, one went to the stud dog owner, and I kept the last black. I think white Siberians are so mysterious. They look like wolves themselves. Grays don't always look like a wolf. When Jake, the white father, is laying in his yard staring at something, the look on his intent face gives me and his owner such chills. He has icy blue eyes, so blue with white is so wonderful. I believe color is an important decision, but it shouldn't affect everything. I love all Siberian husky colors, every single one of them. :)

-Tara

mmmmmm - what about white boxers then - surely you should not activly seek to breed dogs with hereditary problems and white carries deafness doesn'tit??

In some breeds mixing certain colours can cause problems, I understand (although I could be wrong) that breeding two merles together in BCs can cause serious health problems.  In my breed (Griffon Bruxellois) too much crossing of red and black will cause very poor colour and although you might do it for one generation to imporve some feature you would not continue doing it if you were sensible.  Whilst I agree that you should not breed purely for coat or eye colour ignoring other features it must sometimes come into the features you do look for.  3 1/2 years ago when I wanted a black and tan male mate for my bitch I travelled to Belgium to the dog I considered the best black and tan dog in Europe.  he also had many other features that I wanted to add to my breeding, not least his marvellous head.

If I had a bitch who was producing features I didn't want I would stop breeding from her although she would not leave me and would remain for life.  Would you really want me to carry on breeding from her when I know I don't want the puppies? I don't breed to sell puppies.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Huskymad said " you should not breed just for eye or coat colour " . In my own breed ( Belgian Shepherds) we very often get red or grey Tervuerens and all black Groenendaels from the same litter - at the moment breeders can register them according to the variety their coat colour dictates BUT we're pretty certain that this entitlement will finish soon and the Kennel Club will say that these pups will not be eligible for registration being the 'wrong' colour. This will be a disaster for Belgians as our gene pool is so mixed that almost all Groenendael and most Tervueren litters will throw up a 'wrong' colour puppy. Don't know if our case is unique but the Kennel Club certainly will be discriminating on coat colour alone if they go down this route.

Chihuahuas have the same problem as they used to be one breed and they can now get a long coat in a smooth litter or vice versa and these pups cannot be shown.

We have avoided this problem so far as we have remained as one breed (Griffon Bruxellois) in the UK including all the colours and both coats.  Under FCI rules there are three separate breeds, Griffon Bruxellois for the red rough coats, Griffon Belge for the black, black and tan and belge rough coats, and Petit Brabancon for the smooths of any colour and in some countries like the Netherlands they cannot interbreed without first gaining permission.  Not something I would like to see happening in this country.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Strange idea that someone who stops breeding a dog because it is not producing what the breeder is looking for should be banned from breeding. Wonder what would happen to our dogs in a very short while should that rule be applied, we would have miss-marked, malformed, poorly constructed dogs with suspect health. If it was the fact that she sold them that the poster was talking about, although I could not do it my self I know breeders who do and surely that is better than keeping more dogs than you can comfortable manage, they are usually re-homed with people within the breed who have perhaps lost a dog or have a youngster from the same breeder.

If this breeder was having trouble selling the pups then it would be silly to keep producing pups that people don't want, how ever much we think that colour is not important, judging from the number of requests on here specifying a colour to people looking for a pup it obviously does, and breeder are controlled by the rules of supply and demand just like anyone else who sells a product.

Just to say that a white sibe doesnt mean it may be deaf or blind etc, it isnt a genetic defect. Jackie a breeder should not breed a dog that  has a strong possibility in producing a colour you do not want. If you do decide to breed you have to take the rough with the good. You should not sell a dog because it doesnt happen to produce the colour you desire. The most important thing when breeding is that a dog will have a stable PERMANENT HOME, and if your a breeeder who sells their stock because they dont suit , isnt setting a good example!!!! Formost, health test are extremely important, white sibes are JUST AS HEALTHY as any other colour AND as beautiful.

Hello,

I personally did not liked white animals. We got a black and white border collie. My son told me that he wanted a red eye white rabbit. Now he got one and see this colour is not bad at all. My son thought me to love the white ones. I do look now into another dogbreed. We do want a second dog. It has to be a boy and has to be white.  I do wonder only how i do get the white colour clean when it is raining and the dog has to go out.

<<<<<<<<AND as beautiful>>>>>>>>  Thats like me saying that orabgy coloured red tri aussies are as beautiful as jet black tri aussies, Personally I like jet back with a dark Tan and a good flashy white collar and I don't like an orangy red tri witha wishy washy Tan and little white.  Thats personaly, both colours acceptable in the ring, both "healthy colours"  I don't like the look of a white sibe, you do, I'm not saying you shouldn't like them, its your personal preferance!

You will have to face the facts that not everyone likes white sibes.  There may be nothing wrong with them but its all personal.  If someone whats a pet then they don't care too much about conformation, as long as it has 4 legs head and tail in most cases and will live a hopefuly healthy life then they don't want to own the top dog, but they might like a particular colour.  Personally If I got a sibe then I would have a red.  and If I was looking for a sibe I would wait untill I found a Red one.  (Before anyone gets all up on their high hourse I am not looking at buying a sibe, its just an example)

My friend has a black sibe and me personally I too prefer the red. I just think they are very very pretty. Just comes down to someone's likes and dislikes...No I'm not getting a Sibe :)

Just like my breed if you have a bitch that is throwing white heads you no longer breed from her, white heads are not acceptable, and most people prefer the black and white when the true color is brindle....All my boston's are brindle and white except my male was a little more black with some brindle--pups were all brindle my choice of color but not every one elses. But that is the color I liked and brindle was much harder to find. The black and white I guess looks alot more flashy and gives more of the impression the dog is wearing a tux....The first Boston Terrier had a white head and a brindle body beautiful dog, very beautiful I would of loved one just like him :)

Hi Huskymad, if a breeder has stock that are producing pups that they can't sell would it not be stupid to continue producing such pups. And if you wish to continue breeding and have limited space or know you own limitations as to the number of dogs you can look after, then surly it is only good sense to re-home the dogs who are surplice to your requirements. It has nothing to do with taking the rough with the smooth, breeders, good breeders should never accept breeding pups that people do not want they should do something about it. Which is what this breeder did, they deserve to be congratulated for their good sense in doing something that was no doubt painful to them rather that be condemned and told they should be banned from breeding.

Hi
In flatcoats we have two standard colours, black or liver. However some dogs and bitches will produce yellow puppies. Our breeders register these puppies and when they are sold explain to the buyer that they are getting a "Non standard" colour. We do not part with our dogs and if for example a stud dog has produced a yellow pup we tell all prospective bitch owners before mating. Equally a bitch owner whose bitch has produced yellow pups will tell a stud dog owner prior to mating.
If we stopped breeding from yellow producers it would restrict our gene pool,as most flatcoats have Shargleam Blackcap in the pedigree. Pat Chapman who owned Blackcap never hid the fact that he did with certain bitches produce yellow. If we didn't breed from a yellow producer or it's progeny, that would mean not breeding from the majority of flatcoats! I think it is much more important to get health and temperament right in any breed. Surely health and temperament are for the pet owner much more important than a "non standard" colour and as most puppies born do end up in pet homes this is something which certainly has to be kept in mind every time a litter is produced.
If yellows had known health problems like a white boxer then there would certainly be cause for concern, but they don't as far as we know. I can appreciate the need to breed selectively for colour if you are showing, as we have from time to time seen in the flatcoat rings some very "wishy washy" liver colours. The standard requires as dark a liver colour as possible, so it is prudent to mix black and liver colours to keep the liver colour as dark as possible.

Polly that is fine if you are able to sell the pups, but what would you do if you found that the yellow pups did not sell, or did not sell until they were several months old. I was not saying that a breeder should not produce a colour because it was not to standard but that they can't continue to produce puppies that they can't sell.

I think flatcost people are probably amougst the most honest in the dog world & they are such lovely dogs they don't have a lot of problem selling the puppies even if they are "non"standard

My youngest Cavaliers father has just been PTS with syringomeylia pity the owner of the stud dog wasn't as honest as they could have been & it's a top stud/champion too. Colour faults are minor to life threatening genetic disorders

I have never met an unfriendly flatcoat & if I was into big gundogs they would be my choice over all the others.

there isn't a genetic test for this yet is there???? so surely this isn't the breeders fault. I am aware that they have just started testing cavaliers for this but it is in the early stages.

Hi Jackie,
I agree it is not possible to keep producing puppies, standard colours or non standard colours if there are no homes for them to go to, I know it is difficult running puppies on. In our breed we are still very much a working breed and puppies are as scarce as goldust in the autumn & winter months, but starting in the spring and carrying on into the summer, there are always more puppies than homes so it is not uncommon for any breeder to run on puppies of any colour.

I wasn't saying every breeder should keep or run on puppies of a non standard colour, I do realise there are limits. What I was trying to say was, even if our dogs do produce a non standard colour we do keep those dogs in a breeding programme as in our breed, and there must be other breeds, which benefit from doing this. It is very much a case of balancing needs with practicality. Just because we can do it, this does not mean another breed can.

Given the choice of having a husky of a standard white colour & excellent quality, or a standard colour which is not white, but is not so good a specimen or had a health issue, then I'd go for the white every time. I wrote about my breed because it is a breed which has "non standard" colour puppies born in litters, and I hoped that by doing so it might give other owners some food for thought.

Whether puppies are standard colour or non standard colour, most pet puppy buyers are interested in health and temperament before anything else. Even with a standard colour pup, when buying for myself, I am more interested that the temperament and health of the parents, are good.

With Huskies there is no such thing as standard colours and non standard as it, the standard says any colour, so it is the taste of the people buying the pup that decides what is viable and what is not.

As long as the breeder sold the bitch to a person who will look after and care for her what is the problem???
Many breeders sell on bitches for all sorts of reasons ....not being fertile,producing incorrect or unwanted colours,bitch has produced her 'quota' of puppies etc.It may not be the way us 'pet 'owners work but if done responsibly whats the problem...not as if she was thrown from a moving car is it!!
Archer

To add on to what people have already said...would you support the owner if she A) kept the dog but couln't look after all he dogs proberly due to insuffient space? B) as archer said...kicked the dog out the car

Infact I have respect now for the breeder who sold on her dogs, as long as they went to lovely homes where they are loved, thats the most important thing.