ok so this is my view
i dont see why you all think that they are crule because there not
i can give many reasons why there not as long as they are used corectley
for 1 its the only thing i can use on my american cocker as shes not sick on them
she is quite well trained and walkes lovely on 1 and any dog would choke on any forme of collar
anyway i think they are ok as long as they are uswed corectley
any views welcome as long as no fights brake out over it would be welcome
bibi for naw fiona
ill read this tomorrow to see what has happend so far

Have we not done all this not more than 2 days ago, do a search if I remember right the thread was locked but that should not stop you finding it.

"for 1 its the only thing i can use on my american cocker as shes not sick on them"
Sorry, this has foxed me?!? Could you please elaborate?

When a thread has been locked Fiona, take the hint and drop the subject. Anything else will just lead to tears. :)

Regards, John

The thread was only blocked eariler today, it started off civil and went on too far and peope got, shall we say, carried away.  you are just giving everyone an obertunity to carry on from the blocked thread, I would think as soon as admin sees this he will deleat it!!!!

I am sorry but when you start a thread from one that has already been blocked (which I know you took part in) then you are only asking for a debate about CHECK chains!

I do hope that this thread gets blocked ASAP as the last thing we need is subjects such as this wasting space on our valuble message boards! OK valuble messge boards is abit too far but ou get my point?  Your asking for trouble with this thread.

If people want to know views they can go and find the blocked one!

Rox

P.S could you please stop using silly Text Message spelling and grammer as it is winding me up :) but thats something personal I have!