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By cleopatra
Date 29.03.02 11:06 UTC
I think this might be a long one, but if anyone has the patience to read it i would love to pick your brains :D
Most of you know what happened with Cleos litter, and the fact that i won't breed from her again, but this has left me with the decision of whether to buy a puppy in, i have been told of a fanastic litter due the end of April. I have wanted another dog to show ever since cle was about 12 months, she is now 3, and with all that has happened i desperately want to get another dog, but am i being selfish?
I am currently doing an MA, and as such am home almost 100% of the time, researching! I shall probably be getting a full time job early next year. However, my partner works a couple of days a week at home, and can take dogs into the office as well - they all love cleo in there and she is spoilt rotten!! In about 18 months we intend to move out to the country, and soon after that i hope to go freelance, which will allow me to work mostly from home. Obviously none of this is set in stone, but about the same time my partner wants to set up his own business working from home.
My mum also wants to have a dog, but is out of the country for about 3 months a year, so we have thought about an arrangement where we both invest in the same dog (she absolutely loves cleo, and as well as gratefully taking her when i go on holiday, asks if she can "borrow" her from time to time - cleo has her own private health farm in the country, and often jumps in mums car herself to go down there!) as the nature of the breed is to be quite jealous, we would keep them together almost all of the time - being with me when mum is away (mainly the summer) and mum taking them for a lot of the winter, though this won't work out exactly like this we know. I know that a lot of you would have the concern that the dogs wouldn't know what was what, but cleo is perfectly happy to be with either of us, and doesn't pine when away from me, or away from mum, though obviously she loves me more ;) ! And the dogs would always be together so there is a constant there.
Also, I feel very strongly about being able to give 100% time and energy to the training and upbringing of a pup and i am in the perfect situation to be able to do that at the moment as i am at home all the time, and it is something i really enjoy, and i can give this for a good long time not just a fortnight taken off work.
BUT there is the possibility that the dogs will be alone for periods after i have finished studying. Currently we live in a relatively small flat in london, with a garden and dog-flap, etc, but i am very commited to my present dog, and have always walked her about 2 hours a day. Also i am worried that Cleo will become jealous (though i think she would love a pup) as although she is very obedient and good, she is also quite spoilt, and regualry comes for cuddles, lying on her back on my lap, would this be any different if we got another dog? Basically it would be between me and my mum as, though my partner says that he is behind whatever decision i choose to make, and that he'd like a pup, that is where his commitment ends. This i don't mind, i had cleo on my own and that was great. Is it different with 2 dogs? Are things more difficult?
Please help me to come to a decision, as i am going round and round in circles! I'm sorry this is so long, and if you've got this far please give me your opinions as i sometimes feel that my WANT to get another dog, is not enough.
By Jabba
Date 29.03.02 11:37 UTC
I know exactly how you feel - is wanting a dog really enough? I had this dilemma myself before we got Jabba. In fact that is the first question I asked at Battersea.
The way I see it is that if you want a dog enough to think about it soooo much, let alone bother to post on this website, and so on, you are half way there. If you have that much love to give, then give it. People have more than one child & don't think it a bad thing! There are so many unwanted dogs in the world, it seems that someone who wants one as much as you can't go far wrong!
Having said that there are the practicalities to consider, but it seems that you have thought those through. You might be wiser to get an older dog (over two or three years) rather than a pup because when you are needing to leave the dogs alone (not for a while, if I read your post correctly) the dogs will be older and calmer. Puppies are hard work for a long long time. We were advised to get an older dog & Jabba is great for being on her own - in fact she get really knackered when we are here all over the weekend because she can't sleep all day!! (she is currently snoring next to me, but I know if I move off this chair she will wake in an instant - how do dogs do that????)
I often think it would be great to get another dog for Jabba to keep her company - but not really sure if this is true as I've never lived in a multi dog household - do they NEED company? They are a pack animal, we we humans are their pack. Maybe others could advise us both on that one.
Best wishes with your decision.
By cleopatra
Date 29.03.02 11:47 UTC
Jabba, Thanks for your reply, makes me feel a bit better about everything. I have thought about getting an older dog, but with my breed that can be a problem, though cleo will definately accept a puppy. And it is the hard work of training a pup, etc that i really love. I also want to show, and can only do this if i buy a pup, though there is no guarentee that it will end up being show quality! Also, the pup will be almost a year old by the time i start my job, and then my mum will take them for a while, etc. Its such a hard thing to think about, because i really want it, but am worried, blah blah - keeps going round in my head and is getting quite annoying now!!!!
By Pammy
Date 29.03.02 12:47 UTC
I think you should do it:) You clearly have all the right ideas and intentions - who knows what the future holds, circumstances can and do always change - deal with that at the time.
As for Cleo - she could become quite jealous so it might be an idea to see just how she is around other pups and dogs/bitches. Forgive me, but I can't remember what breed Cleo is, that can have a bearing on the best way to do things. But I think you have all the right motives etc to make a go of it.
:)
Pam n the boys
By cleopatra
Date 29.03.02 13:15 UTC
Pammy, Cleo is SBT, and is absolutely fine with other dogs,etc, and actually only ever plays with puppies! She is not a massive dodg dog if you know what i mean, but having just lost her own litter of pups (and seeing how she was with the for that short time) i thought she would be very good with another dog - she is very gentle, a complete wimp, and even tolerates the cat biting her and comes running to me when she does!!!!
By Jackie H
Date 29.03.02 13:37 UTC
NO go ahead and all the best. Jackie H
By eoghania
Date 29.03.02 14:10 UTC
Hi Cleo,
Read all of your postings. You seem to be a very concientious person who has done a lot of thinking and research. You have my vote for a second dog. You shouldn't have too much difficulty, just make sure their personalities compliment one another before leaving them alone for any length of time.
I've always had multi-dog households. Once everyone has settled into a pattern, the dogs support one another when my husband and I have left them alone at home or when we had them kenneled on occasion. They are less anxious and more secure with a "buddy" than being a solitary dog. Well, except for Pepper the wonderpup... but she was an odd one.
I also think with two dogs, they are less likely to have people try to steal them from the car or back yard. Even though they are not large, they give me a better sense of security when I'm out and about. Two heads are better than one, etc... :) It's also loads of entertainment watching them play together :D Wind them up & watch them go :D
Good luck and hope this helps make up your mind
toodles
By bumblebeeacres
Date 29.03.02 18:07 UTC
Go for it! I think you should seriously look at that April litter of pups you talked about and pick the best one for you. You know what you're doing and I think it would be great medicine for Cleo. I think you have a great future for showing. You have such enthusiasm. I have 5 dogs and they love each other, and are actually much easier to handle than my 3 kids.
By cleopatra
Date 29.03.02 19:46 UTC
eoghania, thanks so much for your reply. The "concientious person who has done a lot of thinking and research" is horribly due to my MA, can't seem to do anything these days without researching for days before hand :( . Oh well thats the price of an alreday over-expensive and highly over-rated education :D
By eoghania
Date 29.03.02 19:49 UTC
Hi Cleo....guess we're in the same spot of trouble for the exact reason. :-) I just finished up my coursework on my Master's last month. I'll be officially graduated in June, though. So, yep...nothing said without supportative evidence (the word is one of those made-up high falluting ones) and nothing done without extensive research :D :D :D
toodles

edit: of course I could be incorrectly interpreting "MA" to mean Master of Arts degree. If I'm wrong, please let me know what it stands for :D
By Pammy
Date 29.03.02 20:55 UTC
Go for it girl:D
Pammy n co
By SaraW
Date 29.03.02 23:01 UTC
Hi Alex,
From all you say you are not being selfish at all ! I have always been a one dog owner until 2 weeks ago and was really worried about the impact of a pup on Sam ( my spoilt and soft lad ). The first few days I wondered what I'd done and Sam was a little sulky and very jealous. However now he seems pleased to have her for company and when they go out he looks for her following and waits for her etc. She has snook her way into his bed as well now and snuggles up to him when tired and he seems to find it comforting too. I take care to still do things with him on his own and he gets cuddles as well when she is asleep or in another room. At times I wonder if he hopes she'll go back where she came from - when he is busy napping and minding his own business and she launches herself at him to play but when he has had enough he has a special warning growl and she backs off immediately. I still get a bit worried when I see them playing as at times it can look painful to me but neither seems to worry :D
The circumstances you describe re time for a pup etc sound fine. I am lucky (not sure the bank manager agrees :D) that I am between jobs at the minute and will have had about 5 or 6 weeks with her before I go back to work and even then although I work full time my husband is self employed and is at home some of the day so they will rarely be alone for more than 4 hours. I do feel though it is important to have the time at the beginning for a pup as those first few weeks can mould them for life in my opinion.
I'd say go for it - I was worried and so far all my worries have proved to be unfounded and now I wonder when to get a third ;)
Sara :)
By cleopatra
Date 30.03.02 12:59 UTC
Sara, thanks for all your help, and your reply has managed to allay my real fear (i think) that i will be changing things too much for cleo, as she is so used to having me to herself, though i have to admit she is a MASSIVE flirt and forgets me almost as soon as i've gone! Or maybe i'll be the one who gets jealous as my baby won't need me anymore as she has a little one to look after, and she will look after it, she tried to with the cat (licking, etc) before the cat told her to p*** off, now she tolerates it fot a certain amount of time before the indignity of the whole thing overwhelms her :P. Yours 2 look like they are very settled with each other now, and after only 2 weeks! How old was pheobe when you got her? Cos i think if i choose to get a pup he will only be about 7 weeks so cleo and i will still have quality time when out on walks for at least a few weeks, she tends to just sleep when at home anyway!
Now, i just have to persue this litter. I have spoken to the breeder and the bitch is about 5 weeks pregnant though they went for a scan yesterday to find out the amount of pups and due date. This is a repeat mating from last year which produced top bitch puppy at crufts adn i was lucky enough to be the first to want a dog, so i will have first pick!!! Do you think that it would be pestering of me if i called them again, as they said they'd call after the scan, don't want them to change their mind after i've done all this soul-searching!!!!
By SaraW
Date 30.03.02 13:38 UTC
Hi Alex,
Phoe was 7 weeks and 6 days old when we got her.
The relationship I have with the breeder of her is very good and I have been lucky as we happen to live only 5 mins away from each other. I first spoke to Lynne over a year ago when I was looking for my first Golden and stayed in touch from then on. I had Phoe booked about 3 months before the mating even so it seemed like a very long wait for her :D I visited before the mating to check I was happy with the bitch planned for mating and met her mother as well, along with a daughter from a previous litter.
I realise your circumstances are different and it sounds lucky you have got first on the list for a boy :) Now you'll be like me - nervous waiting for the birth incase all pups the wrong sex or something LOL. Going on the reaction of Lynne to me and listening to breeders on here I would think it would be fine for you to ring them again. I would maybe wait until after the weekend though incase they have visitors etc over the Easter break.
Have you met the bitch yet ? It might be an idea to see if the breeder is happy for you to meet her before the birth and gives you an excuse to start to build a relationship with her (the breeder that is). You may also find you are not allowed to visit the pups until 3 weeks old and believe me that 3 weeks seems a lifetime ;) Most genuine breeders I would imagine would be happy for your interest and call. They want to be sure their "baby" is going to a kind and caring home and the more contact they have with you (within reason) the easier it is for them to judge that. I went every 5 or 6 days to see Phoe and was worried that Lynne would maybe be fed up of me but I asked outright and she was happy for me to go. Infact she called in the other day to see how she was doing and ended up here for 2 hours :D I guess I still owe her another 10 cups of tea yet to get us level pegging though ;)
The breeder Sam came from is about 30 miles away and she kept one of his litter brothers and I infact attended the same training classes as her for 8 weeks. We are still in touch although not as frequently now but she gets pictures and stories about him from me.
I am so pleased we made the decision to have a second dog (well I am when not cleaning up puddles :P) and would recommend it. The bit you said " i'll be the one who gets jealous as my baby won't need me anymore as she has a little one to look after " also rings true. Besides being worried about the change in Sams life that did also worry me but just 5 mins ago Phoe was asleep and Sam came up to me here and rested his head on my lap for a love :D Him and Phoe are now outside with Pete playing and Sam is carrying an old piece of fleece and dangling it infront of Phoe to encourage her to play tug of war with him. Sam has enough love in his heart for all of us , just as we have for all of them and I'm sure Cleo will be the same.
Sorry to waffle so much but hopefully in amongst the blurb are the answers to your questions ;)
Sara
By cleopatra
Date 30.03.02 16:11 UTC
I have seen both the sire nad dam at shows and know of the offspring. I was put in contact with the breeder through the guy who took the winner pup from the last litter, he owns the sire, and also owns the sire of cleo, and hence the breeder of the litter is not concerned with whether i am a good person, etc because of the recommendations, if you understand what i'm trying to say! I am still very much in contact with cleos breeder, and about twice/3 times a year i go down and say hello and show her cleo as she was her favourite from the litter. She lives in Birmingham, i live in london, so about 4 hours round trip! The breeder of the pups lives inStoke on Trent, which is probably about 6 hours round trip, and though i'd love to be able to go often to see the bitch and litter, its not really viable! I shall wait till after the easter weekend as, you're right, she probably is busy, and talk to her properly about due dates, when she is making her choice i will go and make mine, what age to pick the pup up etc.
By the way i'm talking it seems i have made my decision really doesn't it!
Thanks again for all your help
Alex
By Jabba
Date 01.04.02 08:04 UTC
Alex
Glad to see you are obviously feeling a lot happier and more settled than before the weekend! Good luck with your pup!
Keep Smiling
By cleopatra
Date 01.04.02 14:13 UTC
Cheers Jabba :) Things have calmed down for me over the concern issue ting, but i am still considering the whole thing - just trying to be realistic about what it REALLY means to all of us to get another dog. Thinking of the reality of the situation is really hard though when theres a pup involved!
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