dear ladies
i will admit that i am a novice. i did not use the correct terminology. i was not thorough in my explanation. i apologize!! allow me to elaborate.
(1)my bitch bordeaux ,unbeknown to me, was in in heat at the time of her spaying . (2)the spaying took place before i adopted her from the rescue kennel.
(3)her subsequent vaginal bleeding was determined to be estrous (spelling?) , i.e. shedding of the uterus and vaginal walls;the vet did a vaginal blood smear to determine this.
now, my bitch ,as per the vet, has stud tail. i know it is due to excess oils ,etc. i would like some CONSTRUCTIVE advice as to how to treat it , you  U.K. dog snobs (that was said with a smile)!!
if you ladies provide me with kind and constructive advice i just may register for a membership.

                       thank you. love and kisses from the u.s.a.,
                          chris

Sorry guest can't help as I have no experience of either spaying whilst in season nor the term 'stud tail'. But if it was my bitch still bleeding I would be very worried. Is it normal in the USA to spay in season bitches or are lay people able to perform the operation?

Hi Chris,
If your bitch has been spayed, it is not possible for her bleeding to be due to the shedding of the uterine wall, because her uterus will have been removed when she was spayed, along with her ovaries! Therefore any bleeding cannot be due these reasons. Perhaps she wasn't spayed after all?

As far as her stud tail goes, if it is due to excess oil as it is in cats, then I would hazard a guess that the same treatment would be appropriate. Googling will advise you as to which would be the best shampoo. Otherwise, of course, be guided by your vet.

Hope this helps.

Beginning to wonder if she was given a jab either to end a whelp or one to stop the season, but am at a loss to understand what this person is being told by their vet. Assure you that us UK snobs :) would be happy to help if only we understood what the problem was.

There must be some sort of misunderstanding between the poster and the vet. There should certainly be no bleeding ever again after spaying. If the bitch was spayed 14 days ago then the stitches from the abdominal wound will only recently have been removed. Any vaginal bleeding would suggest a serious internal problem.

jeangenie and jackieh

thanks for the reply. i assure you that two accredited vets(one of whom performed the spaying and vaginal smear),not laypersons, verified that my dogs brownish red vaginal discharge is estrous
and simple shedding of vaginal lining (i added uterus in my last message).in fact, the  initial "bleeding" was minimal and now it has all but stopped.
no, i dont think it is common in the U.S.  to spay dogs while in heat; however, according to the 2 vets ,if the dog was in heat prior to spaying she should have 1 to 2 weeks of estous (brownish red vaginal discharge).
i just became a member. i am not quite sure how to use the message board,etc. but, if you should happen to find any useful info on stud tail i would appreciate it. iam not sure how you would contact me .

                    thanks
                       chris

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Now I'm sure that's as clear as mud

liberty

liberty, thanks for the info. it was helpful!!
                thanks from the U.S.A.,
                      chris

As far as spaying whilst in season, yes it does happen. Then my Katy went diabetic I had just got her insulin balanced when she started to come into season and the balance went out of the window. The vet recomended spaying her straight away. It was not a nice op but all went well with no after effects.

Best wishes, John

john thanks for the info!

                         thanks from the U.S.A,
                                       chris

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Thank you for your understanding on this matter :)

Melody

Chris I dont think these ladies, and thankyou for that are snobs, think they genuinly want to help a all do on here  why asume they are snobs ?
i think we all genuinly want to help any enquirer but need more facts how is your dog anyway has she recovered well?

kindest regards

                       

m

mattie
let me assure you i ment that in jest. i did not really think them  snobs; actually, it was ment as sort of a compliment .i did not intend to offend. at 13:09 today we were posting on the visitors board entitled "stud tail on my female bordeaux". take a read. accept my apology!

                                chris

No problems, Chris! I hope your bitch has got over her surgery well. If, as in cats, her tail problem is caused by hormones, I would imagine that in a few weeks, when her hormone levels have greatly diminished it should clear up if the area is kept clean and dry. However if her oestrogen levels prior to her surgery were masking the condition and keeping it at bay, it's possible she will need canine HRT.

I cannot as yet find any mention of this condition in dogs, but am still searching the net.
:)

jeangenie
thanks for the help!!!!!
                  chris
p.s. what is canine hrt?

Hormone Replacement Therapy. Hopefully it won't be necessary.
:)

Hi I found this old thread about stud tail  http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/board/topic_show.pl?pid=111223;hlm=and;hl=Stud%20tail#111223 It does appear to be the same thing as cats get HTH Gillian (sorry one of those links that you have to cut and paste)

OMG  do dogs need HRT too  LOL (at least they dont get PMT too ((from someonbe who has 3 daughters  10,12, and 13  lol)

Hi Chris R, glad you have joined us and sorry that I did not understand your first post, at the time we did not know you had just taken her from a rescue pound and knew nothing of why she had been spayed. Still think that the vets explanation that it is the uterus that is causing it strange as the womb would/should have been removed with the spaying. But what ever their explanation if you trust them that's fine, I am not able to help as I'm unable to understand the vets explanation.

To ebonydawn, yes, I had a castrated dog on HRT for the whole of his life and very expensive it was too. And some bitches do get something very like PMT

If the bitch was in season when spayed then it is quite likely that there was already some discharge from the uterus within the vaginal tract and that this will keep on appearing for a week or so as obviously the vaginal tract is not removed.  It should stop very soon (if it hasn't already) and is nothing to worry about if it is not bright red. If it became bright red, or appeared to be like fresh blood then it would be worrying.  I find the vets' explanation perfectly acceptable on this. 

Spaying whilst in season is not the ideal time to carry out the operation, firstly because of increased risk of haemorrhage and secondly because of the state of the hormones at the time, but it can be done if necessary for some reason.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

The vaginal is a self cleaning organ I find it hard to believe there would be any discharge remaining after, say, 24 hours, however bleeding commencing 7 to 10 days after surgery would be quite indicative of an infection setting in at the sutures to the top of the vagina (or perhaps we should say end of the vagina in the case of a dog :)) I think any such bleeding should be investigated by a vet.

It's good to see you again Joan! I was only saying to someone the other day thay I'd not seen you post lately and was hoping you were ok.

Best wishes and welcome back, John

Thank you John I'm fine and I hope you are well too.  I've just been short of time.

I think about you each time I watch the Rugby internationals

Best wishes
Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

I think the 6N is better forgotten this year Joan ;)

I maintain we have only loaned them the cup :d

Thats fine Chris,thankyou

Do they remove everything (including the uterus) when they spay a bitch then?  I thought they would do the same as for humans - would be less traumatic wouldn't it (but would they still bleed then or not?)

Fiona

Yes, spaying is a full ovario-hysterectomy, where ovaries and uterus are completely removed. It's the simplest and quickest (therefore less traumatic) procedure.
:)