Very sorry to hear about the loss of your Dad Jessieanne :(
It's nice to hear from a non-smoker that us smokers are not all a bad bunch ;) I would never try to justify my 'bad habit', but I always try to be considerate, when with non-smokers :D

liberty

I'm sat here reading this thread, puffing away. 9sorry all you non smokers).
There was something on the news recently about a student bar, in this country, that had banned smoking.
After 10 days they had to allow it again, as the takings for the bar had gone down by £27000. Who says students don't have money? :D
I don't think it'll happen over here personally. If it did though i wouldn't mind, as long as places provided shelter for you to go outside and have one.
My only worry would be nights out on a weekend. Having to queue to get in the pubs for hours, would make you reluctant to go back outside for one, therefore i think less people would go out.

Started reading the thread but gave up.  Norman's ill.  I'm smoking.  Seven non-smoking friends have been round to visit.  Did I charge them for inhaling my smoke?  No - because I'm not that sort of bloke.  You non-smokers should be grateful.  I pay nearly a fiver a packet.  Skinfilnts!

Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

Joe

lmao joe .

I fail to see how Joe and Norman's misfortune, can allow you to 'lmao'????

Get back to me, When you grow up...............

It was a joke ...read Normans post again ...

:)

*I don't think it'll happen over here personally* Liverpool are trying to do it!!!!

Christine, Spain.

Hope Norman makes a speedy recovery Joe; amd must add how generous of you to share your 'smoke'. Just remember some folk will never be gratefull ;)
Especialy one poster, who I won't name.........but I'm sure Lovely Lady will have an answer ...........ooops

Big hugs to you and Norman :D

liberty :D

I hope your joking Liberty? I mean I guess you were cos I cant tell with no smilys :)

But if you wernt...... I dont think LL was being rude then I think she was laughing at the ' Seven non-smoking friends have been round to visit.  Did I charge them for inhaling my smoke?  No - because I'm not that sort of bloke.  You non-smokers should be grateful.  I pay nearly a fiver a packet.  Skinfilnts!

Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it!' Part.

Any way, i had a little chuckle at that too :)

Sorry Norman is ill though Joe :(

I don't usually get involved in this type of discussion but here goes.
I believe there is an alternative to banning smoking. I am currently working on smoking area filtration design for my engineering doctorate. This type of installation is currently used in many airports, it stops the smoke filled air from entering 'clean' air, it filters the smoke and then relases the clean air back to atmosphere. This was also installed in a pub in Dublin before the ban, to protect customers and employees alike. The results are so good that your clothes don't even smell! Part of my work over the next 4 years is to improve the systems to reduce odour and particulate count, I truely believe that this is a viable alternative. Some hospitals even agree and are looking at installing them in the family rooms etc.
Sorry to go on and on :)
I just don't agree with banning it, it's not illegal and a lot of money is made from smokers it would be similar to racial segregation especially since there is a viable alternative that will protect non smokers health.
JMO :)

Ahhh ..the cool , sane voice of reason :)

Unfortunately, I think your work may be in vain as no one will be able to afford to smoke in 4 years time ...

:D :D :D

Mel ;)

I think it will come over here. Ireland is not the first Canada did it sometime ago.

All businesses will see a dip in business when a change happens ( not just smoking bans)  but then it goes back to the norm. 

I have no real problem with smokers, but I do object to children smoking on the school bus etc.

The only time I am subject to passive smoking really is in my mothers house ;-)  I work and live generally in a smoke free zone. I have a few freinds who smoke and we just sit on my garden swing when they come over. The generally wouldn't dream of smoking in my house even if I offered them a saucer :-))

I do get a little tad annoyed sometimes at the smoke free zones when really it should be smoking zones in all fairness.JMO

It is a thing that could be argued to death but I think it really comes down to consideration.

I would love to see my mum flap though if she could not get a ciggie :-)

Well its day two of me giving up smoking. But with all this talk of smoking and drinking,  I would like to embark in both habits in about 25min (local pub is open). I think its hard having been a non smoker and now a smoker again.  I used to hate coming home smelling like an ashtray.  But on the other side being a smoker there is nothing more pleasurable than having a smoke and a pint and a large meal.
Now where the hell did I leave those nico patches.  Emma walking off with gravings that makes her gums curl.    On a lighter note we all have choices in life. My choice is to give up.  No, not beer,  fags.

I note one point that doesn't seem to have been made yet: the problems caused (if any) to non-smokers, by cigarettes, is as NOTHING compared to the threat posed to ALL LIFE on the planet by the exhaust from cars - so, let's ban driving cars in public places, then!  Somehow, I don't think that will happen.

The Bible says, somewhere (can't remember exactly where) "Take the plank out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of your brother's!".  You can tell me I'm a health hazard AFTER you've ceased being one yourself.

So there.  Yar, boo and sucks!

Snorri
Twilight Zone
:D

totally agree with you snorri, i dont drive so i'm not polluting the air in that way but i do smoke, i enjoy smoking, i do take into concideration people who dont smoke, i ask them first if they mind me smoking near them and if they say they dont then i light up, if they do mind then i either dont have one or i move away from them and light up.

easy as that. :)

Totally agree Snorri, (was one of the reasons for 'clean' being in speech marks!)
Clean air is infact anything but clean, and if you really knew what was in it you'ld be scared to breathe. Even out in the fresh countryside supposedly unpolluted air there are many particulates of the dangerous size that can be inhaled straight into your lungs and generally stay there to be absorbed. Oh the joys of research ;)

Even worse is the pollution caused by aeroplanes! If a person drove from London to Edinburgh every day for a year they would cause less pollution than one trans-Atlantic flight. (They would also be completely mad!)

Norman' still ill, I'm still smoking and now all your arguing has given me a headache :(

All this arguing has made me want to smoke,   oh and drink  (no change there).

hmm I dont smoke, have never tried it so cant comment on how nice it is but I also wouldnt press my views on to others either (although saying that I try and make my friends give up every time I see them, but thats only cos I worry about them, not for me)

Why not have completely smoking pubs and completely non smoking pubs then eveyones happy, surely there are enough bar staff who smoke to go around.

That means I would have to go out on my own because all my friends smoke :(

I have to confess,  I could never give up drinking,  smoking yes but drinking, no,no, oh no. I think drinking is a little more socially accepted apart from these idiots on Friday night who fight and pee in your garden. Or is that just me!!!!!

What, who fights and pees in gardens?!?!?!  

;) M.

Ive been known to stop off on my stagger home for a pee but never in someones garden (I dont think :D ) 

Ah just me then.    Ille get my coat........

I am a non-smoker -used to smoke for about one year though, many moons ago ;)

I have always wanted to ask - what do smokers feel about their future? I mean, do you worry about your health and want to cut down, or do you just live for the day? (I expect everybody is different.)

Do the lung cancer adverts on TV make you worry? I feel quite sick when the ones with the breathing machines come on!! :)
My much loved aunt died a horrible death from smoking, and it helped to  put me off. Plus i get asthma when i am in a smoky atmosphere for too long :(

Lindsay
x

Lindsay,

i smoke have done since i was 16, i'm now 23, i stopped for about 6 months 3-4 years ago, i cant really answer what i think about my furture, i know that smoking is harmful, but then i think i could go out tomorrow and get hit by a bus, so i sort of live for today, i'm not a heavy smoker, apart from when i go out drinking, i smoke about 5-6 aday, which for me is very good, have cut down alot, as for the question about the tv ads, they do sometimes bother me, but then i think its my choice, i have to face the conciquences (sp) i'm planning to give up smoking after i've got married in september, want to be as fit and healthy as i can for when we start for a family, my other half doesnt smoke never has done, he sometimes moans that i smoke but then he realises that i'm the only person that can stop me smoking, and i will do when i'm good and ready, for me its not an easy thing to do, even though i dont smoke to much, will power is something i dont have :)

Lindsay,

The only thing those adverts does for me is remind me that I'm ready for another smoke.  I smoked a lot less before they were introduced!

As for health, yes, I worry.  Of course I do, most smokers do.  But I'm not going to be bullied by the government into stopping - I'll stop when I chose.  They weren't quick to jump on the millions of shops who would sell me a single cigarette when I was a kid were they?

And as for non-smokers.  I remember the days when you could smoke in your office.  Then they banned it and gave smokers a tiny room to smoke in and what happened?  All their non-smoking mates came with them for the crack and the room was like a chinese tube train.

I like to think I'm a considerate smoker but if you come round my house don't wave your arms around in the air or cough loudly or you'll be sitting in the garden.  :D

Today im smoking alot.  Gave up yesterday, maybe I will quite tommorow.  OH hates smoking and he can always tell when Ive had a sly one behind the bike sheds (he can also tell if Ive been smoking).  I gave up new year last year because I found a lump in my throat,  later found it was my adams apple!  I do take notice of the adverts,  but it will never happen to me. Yes ignorance is bliss and hiding my head in the sand is good for now.
Ok tommorow I will quit, but today is today and Im more likely to get hit by a bus ( I have poor eyesight).
Emma (who is going outside to smoke a marly light)

P.S Sorry Im in one of those moods,  sun is shinning and Ive had more lectures about the price of fish today to last me a lifetime

I love that advert with the spray can. I'd love to have the guts to use a water spray on anybody smoking next to me, but I'm too polite. There would be an uproar. However I'd be doing alot less damage to them than they are to me.
Dawn R. Non smoker.

Dawn I have to say Im very respectful of none smokers.  After all its my choice to be a pratt.  If I could turn back time I would never of accepted that first fag. I hate they way Im controlled by a stick.

I've just done a section on my Diploma course re: passive smoking and how the employer has a LEGAL DUTY to prtoect his employees and "OTHERS" from the dangers of passive smoking . So I can understand that angle as to why its been banned but-
given that cigarettes etc are NOT illegal then dont smokers therefore have the Freedom of choice ?
This is one of those very sticky areas because smokers and non smokers both have the right of choice but employees in such areas a pubs/restaurants to name but a few have a legal right to protection from passive smoking so how do you keep both groups happy :rolleyes:

If smokers are only allowed to smoke at home then what then happens to employees who visit that home ( care workers/repair men/decorators ect etc). Will you then be in a situation in the future whereby such people can refuse to enter the smokers home ?
interesting point becasue you can bet someone will mention this in the future.

*millions of shops who would sell me a single cigarette when I was a kid were they?* Didn`t think you were that old Joe Called loosies weren`t they :D :D

Christine, Spain.

I`d like to know why most governments support GM crops, now there`s a worse danger that noones getting any choice about :(

Hmmmm, GM crops!  Now that's what I call letting the genie out of the bottle when you have no idea at all how to get him back into it.

I feel a new thread coming on.........

Snorri
Twilight Zone
:D

I have the answer!!! All non-smokers....don't breath in!

Joe :D :D :D :D

LOL@ Joe.  Oh its good to laugh

Hey, that wasn't a joke :D

And smokers ... don't breathe out! ;)
:D :D

Ok.  I will if you will ;)

Ok Ive just tried this concept from both sides,  each time I woke up on the floor breathing,  with my boss calling me an idiot.

mmmm mmm mmm mm m mm  mm mmm :D

I hope you had a large inhalation of a cigy first.

my office is a non-smokers free zone, can sit and puff away all day if i like, non-smokers dont come in my office, so it gets most of our company off my back! :D

Hi regards smoking in public places,it will come to Uk and soon ,A good friend is involved in medical research for EU and according to new legislation coming into play oh so very soon a lot of public places will have to ban smoking not because of health reasons but because of ventilation and air flow in and around public places .In lay mans terms a lot of money would have to be spent in public places ie restaurants and brs etc to upgrade ventilation and airconditioning systems to make the airflow in these areas meet new legislation so rather than do this the likelihood is that smoking will be banned cheaper than changing doors windows aircirculation systems etc,EU at play again just like we are not allowed bendy bananas
                                                  Regards Wes

And the annoying thing is 1 in 5 bendy banana eaters doesn't die of cancer :rolleyes: :)

Exactly what my research is about! :)
There are already products available - have been for many years actually, and many big brand pubs/restaurants are interested for the very reasons you quote.