First off let me start by saying that this isnt about expecting him to do stuff sooner than hes actually able, im all too aware he's only a baby (11wks) so i don't want to do anything wrong.
We take Leo out after meals, playtime, every hour etc but most of the time he does nothing and as soon as he walks back in the house he wees on the carpet. We shout No and take him outside but no matter how long we wait only once or twice has he actually finished off out there, he likes to wait until he comes back in.
He sleeps in the kitchen at night and we put paper down for him, which he uses rather than the floor, but then he seems to like the kitchen in the day too.

Should we make the kitchen a no go area in the day??
Does anyone have any tips on how to get him to go in the garden? I've been trying the stuff in the perfect puppy book, but like i say he seems to prefer to wait until he comes in (we dont leave him in the garden, we go with him) and its also only really wee, hes only pooed in the house once , except at night, he seems to have the hang of doing that outside.

I had an idea and i don't know if its stupid or worth trying, i know they go back to their "area" and use that and i know puppy training pads are for indoors but i thought of putting a pad in the garden, under some leaves which is where he likes to go, to try and encourage him to go there? would that work? or is it at least worth a shot.

Again i know we cant expect too much from him, which is why i want some ideas because i don't want to ruin his house training or end up getting really frustrated with him.

The problem with shouting No when he pees on the carpet is that he thinks it is for WHAT he is doing not where he is doing it.  That may be why he won't go in the garden whilst you are watching but will go as soon as your back is turned when you come indoors.  Additionally there are lots of things and noises to distract him in the garden and he will only remember that he needed a pee when he gets back in.  Have you been using puppy pads indoors?  Not a good idea if you have IMO.  I'm afraid you'll just have to stay out there until he goes.  Good job the weather is looking up :) Take a good book. ;)
Sally

Maybe im wrong but cant you use the soiled newspaper. Take it outside so that he gets the scent out there. Would this not encourage him to go?

kat

we've been trying the paper outside but it either blows away because its windy or he just chases it around the garden hehe will keep trying with him anyway

Hiya
As you know, I'm a novice....but what we did was: not respond to any toileting in the house at all. Took her straight out and waited to see if she finished anything off. (Usually too late for that :rolleyes: ). This associated her with the idea that going to the loo, means....going outside.
What we felt was the key to success was the next stage. On the occassions when she did 'go' outside...we actually fed her a treat at the exact time she was doing her business while saying "Good Wee, Good Poo" at the same time.
Consistency was the key in the end for us....ie. every time she'd done something in the house....she then went out. When she did 'go' outside, we praised, said the chosen toilet 'words' at the time and stuck to them. Its got to the stage that we can 9 times out of 10, get her to go to the toilet on demand. :D
I really hope it works for you as well as it worked for us...or, just pick a method used by someone else that has worked and stick to it ;)
HTH
Loads of Luck
Take Care
Jo
:)

Sorry....got to chip in again ! Just spoke to hubby and he said that in total, we wasted just over 2 months faffing about with various routines to stick to....and in contrast, the time it took us to toilet train was actually 9 days !! Can you believe he's rattled this off?...how sad :rolleyes:
Anyway....just wanted to share it with you....and the significance of sticking to the exact routine to gain quicker results due to lack of confusion for the pup.
Also agree with Sally btw, I just think that training pads double the amount of work in the long run ie, once you've trained them to go on the pad indoors....you have to start all over again outside
I'll crawl back into my hole now :D
Take Care
Jo
x

Hiya

when i was toilet training my lab to pee on paper - it was a looooong and slooow process.

I decided enough was enough.  I brought some special training spray from the local vets (thinking it wouldnt work). you spray this onto the paper!  She got the scent pretty quick (to my suprise) and if she messed on the floor or off the paper i would ignore her for a while and she hated that!  Everytime she messed on the paper i would make a fuss of her and she loved it!

anway eventually move the paper accross the floor nearer and nearer to the door so she associates the toilet with the door - my 5 month old lab is now fully toilet trained and tells us by jumping up the door when she wants to go.  She has an accident every now and again when she gets excited so expect that every now and again!

happy toilet training

Jo thanks for that, shouting no doesnt really seem to work he just thinks its a game or ignores you anyway lol.

With the toilet training on paper, we are not doing that, the breeder seems to have toilet trained him on paper to some extent but what we want is for him to go outside, i was just wondering if putting a pad outside in the area he uses but buried by leaves would encourage him to the area??

As for the spray, what was it called? My mum was saying when she lived in a flat she had a spray that she had to spray in the foorway area that made the dog go outside, she didnt think it would work but it ended up working really well!

Hello chaps,

Just thought I'd add something- when Kester was small, we put a piece of turf in his crate for him to use.  This worked really well, with only a few accidents and he was pretty much toilet trained by about 3 1/2 months old. I jest you not!! The thing with the turf, is that you're re-inforcing the pup weeing/pooing outside. I only used 2 pieces of turf, surprisingly it didn't smell, although his poos were always pretty solid (in a good way!)

It might be worth a try, I'd certainly do it again and have recommended it to other people who have had great success with it.

Let us know how you get on.

Don't worry, it doesn't last too long.
Ali :)