Good on them i say!
i dont have a problem with smokers, but i do have a problem when pubs etc are filled with smoke. Its not fair on people that dont want to breathe it in.

Does anyone reckon the ban will come here? (UK)

what do people feel about it all?

I think it is probably too contentious to discuss on here ;)

:D

most things are too contentious to discuss on here :D

There are things best avoided in pubs and on forums (ANY forum) these include politics, religion, s*x, hunting and smoking :) The only reason for that is that people tend to have diametrically opposite views on those particular points and very little tolerance for the other persons POV

This is based on 5 years of bar-maiding and 8 years of forums ;) :D :p

Excellent news, I hope it does happen here in the UK too

As a smoker, I hope it doesn't. ;) I do think there should be non-smoking areas for people who (quite rightly) don't want to breathe other peoples smoke; but I think if it where banned outright, business would suffer.  JMHO :)

liberty :)

i hope it comes over here , why should anyone get cancer threw breathing someone else's smoke  , selfish to make someone else passive smoke . i dont think anyone can dis agree with that :)
smoking area's the problem with that is the smoke still comes into the non smoking pub areaand i recon its hard to stop that except really good ventilation and that  costs a few bob ;)

i dont think anyone can disagree with that

You reckon?

I don't MAKE anyone breathe my smoke :) I smoke where I am allowed to smoke ....I don't force non smokers to sit in the same area as me :)

so you dont mind passing on cancer from your cancer stick , well thats up to you , of course you dont make them , but people have lifes and basicly your saying pubs are smokers areas if you dont like it dont sit there. so where should the non smokers and non wanting passive smoking people go ? home? thats slightly unfair i think

and there you have it ...why you can't have this as a subject for discussion. Lovelylady (as usual) announces her opinion and then explains how no one could disagree with her. When someone does (politely I might add) she starts throwing around that sort of thing :)

LL ..maybe you should learn how to discuss your POV politely and without resorting to loaded phrases and words :)

so i cant say what i think on this melody?polightly in bold lmao , ok you think i should just leave it to your yes everyone should either passive smoke or get out the pub . ok we shall leave it there ;)

Yes LL , you can state your opinion , I have no problem with that ..read my reply properly :)

Well I smoke (not during the day any more) and I drink and I smoke more when I drink. And I just stand the packet side upwards that says "smoking seriously harms you and others around you" as a warning to the non-smokers :p :p :p

Seriously I dont think it will catch on over here but if I cant smoke somewhere it doesnt bother me. I shall just not go out so often - the off licences will probably enjoy my money as much as the pubs :p :p :p

Gina

I always buy the packets that say 'Smoking when pregnant will harm your unborn baby'.  So I'm not going to get anything bad if I stick to them!  :D

ROFL :D

LOL@ Joe.

LOL LOL :P :P

Gina

If you dont like the smoke then move away from the smoker, personally I have more important things to worry about  :)

Claire (non smoker who passive smokes every weekend and has more chance of dying from kidney failure due to excess alcohol than lung cancer :) )

Love it! :D :D :D

I pity the smokers who have to put up with me talking gibberish and dribbling over them when I have had too much to drink LOL

ROTFL at you two drunks :D :D

dont be too sure of that :) youve not read the latest passive smoking news . i personly feel i should be allowed to go to a pub and sit there without smoke wafting in my face . the rooms are filled its not a matter of sitting next to.
I said i dont think anyone can disagree with someone letting someone else passive smoke , i dident say you couldent smoke
i used to work in a pub in my younger days , i know alot of the other staff couldent get any other job in my area. so they had to stick with the passive smoking.

Swings and roundabouts, I might get killed by the no. 32 bus tomorrow :)

As an ex smoker I think too much pressure is being put on smokers it is each individuals choice we all know the risks but it doesn't matter where you go it must be DON'T smoke here. What happened to choice.

Jean

I don't smoke, don't intend to smoke, hate the smell of smoke, But at the same time some people do smoke and you can't stop that.  If someone close to me starts smoking, I move away, I have frineds that smoke (yes underage but...) and I won't go telling them they can't smoke, its there choice.  I think that there should be smoking areas + non smoking areas everywhere and therfore people who don't like the smoke stay away from the smokers area.

I don't belive we can tell people what they can and can't do!

Rox

welldone Ireland,
I dont smoke and although i agree it is not up to me to tell smokers to stop smoking, us non smokers are the ones that can get cancer from there habit.

Heidi

One up for the health Nazis

Snorri

Now Snorri, just say what you mean, no need to beat about the bush :D :D

liberty :)

I think it will inevitably come to the UK.  It is not about other customers at all, who after all can up and leave if the atmosphere is not to their liking, it is aimed at the health and safety of the staff many of whom have no other choice of occupation to suit their circumstances or skills.  If the legislation is not brought in with all that is now known about passive smoking the claims for compensation in years to come will come pilling in.

I dont think it will come to the UK because there are too many smokers out there and so many people disagree with it. FAIR ENOUGH its peoples choice to smoke BUT they can easily smoke in their own homes rather than a pub. Pubs are for every one..not just smokers and, to me, I dont see why we should all have to breath it in for other peoples benafit and then leave just because others are smoking. Also it might make it easier for quiters to stop.

im in an arguementative mood today so am going to put my point of view across (sorry )

i think everyone should be allowed to do what they want, BUT should have to sign a waiver saying something to the effect of - if they require medical treatment for something that is directly caused by something they intentionally do, they'll pay for it themselves, e.g. a smoker will pay for any illness caused by smoking, a big heavy overeater will pay for any illness caused by obesity, a heavy drinker will pay forr any illness caused by their drinking.

why should the nhs pay out for people who know that what they're doing is dangerous to their health, but do it anyway ? obviously there would have to be strict guidelines on this, or it would end up like pet insurance - hmm a broken leg ? well that must have had something to do with that mild dizzy spell you had 20 years ago, thus causing u to fall over and break your leg, and so we won't pay u back for that.

maybe i should go away and drink large quantities of wine. yes. that is a very good idea.

Sarah (who has had a bad day)
:D

I do know what you're saying, but where do you draw the line???
All of the below are dangerous...

Speeding.
Horse riding
Ski-ing
Flying
Diving
Rugby
Football
Para gliding
Sky diving
Motor racing
Motorbikes
Cooking (mine) ;)
and many many more..............................
The safest option is to hope you don't fall of the chair, while on CD'S :D

Off for a small glass of wine now ;)

I am up for that, if they give me back all the tax I have contributed in buying the cigarettes all these years :D

I work in a restaurant which has a pub we have a non smoking restaurant and a whole section in the bar that is nonsmoking. I smoke but have to say that there is nothing worse than standing behind the bar while someone blows smoke in your face the worst is cigars I believe there should be no smoking within 4 feet of the bar not a total ban cos when you have had a drink smoking is so much better.
I was speaking to my dad who said that in Ireland that you cant even smoke in company cars so it is not just pubs its all work places.
Mary

Smokers pay more than enough money toward the NHS to cover any treatment!

I pay my taxes toward the NHS - but I go private all the time if I need anything checking out - even for regular check ups. I have no faith in the NHS, but thats another story!

i expect that the amount of money in taxes for cigarettes is nowhere near the amount of money spent on treatment for cigarette related illnesses.

sarah

(agggghhhhh the bad mood in sarah has a voice of it's own ! down ! down ! <noise of a whip cracking>)

edited to say, sorry, i'm a doctor's daughter !

As the goverment takes £3.80 in tax and 71p in vat on every packet of cigarettes retailing at £4.80, I won't do your sums for you, but a 20 a day smoker over 40 years gives a healthy contribution towards the NHS.

and what about people who get hurt riding motorbikes...driving cars...playing sports??

I'm not a smoker...but the NHS justification is a dud. There would be plenty more to go round if the NHS was managed properly in the first place - never mind the justification for people who are forced to contribute to a dud service they don't even use (me).

You might use it in an emergency though Chloe, I wouldn't like to see it not there.  But I agree with you completely, it is the management that needs sorting out first.

Honestly, I would be out of there as fast as possible. I am just watching my (non smoking) MIL die of cancer which they kept telling her she didn't have - a brain tumour undetected for 6 months, a massive tumour on her spine they didn't notice...stuck in a hospital room paralysed from the waist down with the door shut and the buzzer out of reach...

still you either go into a pub and suffer passive smoking or not go in at all.
flying
riding what ever that is your choice. same as smoking , passive smoking isent a choice .
somthing to think about ...
If two people came into hospital the same time , one with proven to be passive smoking cancer of the throat. one a smoker and cancer of the throat threw there own choice . and only one op could be done that month who should be seen first ? someone who paid the extra on the fags ? or someone who unfairly got it , i supose its how you weight it up

Me with the broken nail!!!! :D

that question is going to cause alot of trouble!!!!

Rox

probably but this is a debate isent it , not a slaging match :) we can reply like adults .
it was a point raised for people to have a think not to argue

Lovelylady :rolleyes: we were having a reasonable discussion until you post with you're narrow minded views. May I ask, does being rude come naturally or is it something you work at?

rude where ? its just a point of veiw to look at isent it ? debate id say and i hardly think its narrow minded .its seeing the whole pic , infact did i even reply to what i thought to the question ?? no

I tend to see a pub as a place where folk go to enjoy themselves. If they want to smoke then so be it...but *most* smokers in my pub use the bar as there is a restaurant attached to the lounge. I think *most* smokers nowadays are more considerate of non-smokers than ever before...and in return we should be tolerant of them. Smoking is a powerful addiction - my mum has smoked all her life and would never give up...not even when she had me!

I don't think thats a fair question to ask either...after all, you couldn't prove they got it from passive smoking...and both should have an equa chance. You could say the same about drinking....would I be equally entitled to a liver op, even though I drink, as someone who is teetotal?

Live & let live I say - life is too damn short not to enjoy yourself and allow others there own enjoyments. After all, when your times up, its up - IMO ;)

That is awful, I have been in hospital quite a few times over the years for surgery and am very sad to see how they have gone downhill so fast.  Last time I was in most of the nurses had been imported and couldn't even speak english.  I have to say the senior nurses were excellent, but how can they do their job correctly when trying to interpret english to those who should be making their jobs easier, so they can dedicate their time to the patients that most need it.

Unfortunately for those who have had surgery on different bits, the private sector won't insure them, so some of us are stuck with the system.  I do have some bits insured privately though and it is a much better experience going private I have to agree.

As for the cleanliness, I won't even go there, it made me so angry.

I read recently that there are now more administrators in the NHS than there are medical staff ... Something has gone terribly, terribly wrong. :(

i was recently in hospital with a family member and you dont even want to know how dirty the ward was. and i dont think leaving a lovely old lady on her chair 9-11 at night is good when she begs to go to bed at 7 , leaving her on the toilet for a hour till i help her out , its terrible!

>>Live & let live I say - life is too damn short not to enjoy yourself and allow others there own enjoyments. After all, when your times up, its up - IMO  <<

I think that sums it up perfectly. :)

Can I add to the debate?
My parents were heavy smokers until dad got lung cancer and died at the age of 46, 14 yr ago.  My mum is now a reformed smoker (and that's bad) My sis, bro and I have never smoked, but honestly don't bother me if people do.  My only gripe is that those lot in work go and get a fag break ;) and I DON'T, so now I go and join em for a natter, and get people saying, 'didn't know you smoked'.  I don't, just want the chance to catch up ;)