Hi
wonder if anyone can advise me on whether you HAVE to get an affix. We are going to breed our bitch in April for the first time, and will be getting another in the near future, both are/will be girls. Do you have to have an affix? or are they not essential. Are you looked down on if you don't get one? I am new in the pedigree/kc registered world and really don't know alot, although my breeder has been great and very helpful, as have many other people i have contacted, but is it worth getting an affix or not?

Please help : )
Em

If you show your dogs then an affix will connect your dogs to your breeding :)
Thats one plus for an affix

thanx for the speedy reply lel, I am only just taking my girl to ringcraft, late i know but i am going to learn it with her and show the next one, although if this one learns properly then i will show her in open shows (;)). Like i said I am new to it all, and we have only been to one ringcraft class and one match ( the match was the following week!) she did ok and the judge did come up and say to me that she will do well with more practice, and i was up against a crufts cocker spaniel! so we didn't stand a chance anyways! but it was fun.

You don't have to have an affix but it is somehow better :D  If you breed two or three generations people can see at a glance who bred them and if they end up in the show ring the same applies.  It is a way of connecting the dogs you have bred both to you and to each other.

Imagine two pedigrees:

        +--Freddie The Joker
    +--Aptar Jason
    |   +-- Manchester Alexis
+--Handsome Abie
    |   +--Goeller Rambo
    +--Ambios Thi Thi
        +--Glen Night Star

         +--Cammper The Joker
    +--Jayplee Jason At Cammper
    |   +--Jayplee Alexis
+--Jayplee Abie
    |   +--Cammper Rambo at Jayplee
    +--Jayplee Thi Thi
        +--Jayplee Night Angel

The first could be anything and anyone's but the with the second you can see a pattern and that the Jayplee and Cammper kennels used each others dogs and who is probably related to who.

(These are NOT real pedigrees - well, partly Dobe pedigrees with the affixes removed and replaced with random ones that I don't know if exist )

that makes sense but still not sure if it worth all the hassle.(~) some people have said that it takes months to get an accepted affix, we are going to breed next month and have until june then to get an affix accepted, if we manage to find one or make one up that is not already used, i do appreciate the layout you did. My girl has got both in her pedigree, with and without, and yes they are easier to trace with an affix.
Many thanx
Would appreciate some more views on it (:))
Em

Well if I was breeding good quality pups I would want people to know where they originated from  - ME! :) and an affix would let people know that.
Going back to your original question what are YOUR views for NOT having one ? and then we can discuss if the reasons are valid or not :D

Hi Lel
as i am new i don't really have views either way, its just that it seems hard to get one that you like, it is very expensive,It can take ages,  I would love to have one of our puppies to be well know in the show world so in that respect it would be better. There is no reason why the pups should not be good quality, she is from good stock, her brother has his (JW) and she has plenty of CH's in her pedigree, the soon to be sire is also from an excellent pedigree and had done well in the show world. My girl is the grandaughter of CH Knockon Dance with the Divil(JW), from his name is doesn't seem that he had one. So that hasn't helped really !
I am so confused.
Em
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Hi,

Might be totally wrong here, but from just looking at the papers, it does seem more prevalent in some breeds (including Staffs) that affixes aren't used.

However, apart from the excellent reasons of a kennel 'identity' and making sense of pedigrees mentioned above ..... I admit it - I'm an affix snob LOL.  I would have to desperately want a puppy to buy one without an affix, unless I was given the opportunity to name it myself, in which case I would choose a name to make it sound as if it had one ......

Just my view, shallow though it may be :D

M.

Oh, and edited to add ....... sooooooooo much easier and quicker to get an affix than it used to be!!

KnockOn is his affix :)

also Knockon hocus pocus, Knockon Who Me, Knockon Hallowe'en Queen to name but a few from this affix... :)

Once you say an affix you automatically know who the breeder is , what type of dog it is likely to be, what the breeding is generally like, what area it originates, reputation  etc  etc
As in Valglo, Eaststaff, Ashstock, Staffmaster to name but a tiny few :)

If I was choosing another pup I would rather go to a name I recognised and could trace breeding history than one I didnt

Brihow
when you say the papers , do you mean local papers advertising pups ?
A good breeder with a reputable affix will not need to use the local paper . His pups will be sold by word of mouth before they are even born :)

Em
when you say your girl is the grand daughter of dance with the Divil - is this the bitch you are breeding ?

yes she is.

We have only got one at the moment, will be looking to add a black& white pied girl at some point.

Lel - no, I mean from reading show reports in OD and DW.

O right ;)

Hi Lel

my inexperience showing already i guess!!.

My girl is called Stormbull Ms Dynamite and the soon to be stud is Stombull Sparticus, I have no idea what i would choose as an afix, I am already stuck with future puppy names, I have no idea where to start,
Do you have Staffs?

I certainly do :D
Just the one for the moment but I dont breed

Stormbull is another well recognised affix too.
Affixes are usually combinations of names or things that are personal to you. Once you have one you can also change any others that you buy in so to speak to add your affix on the end.
For example - imaginarystaff at mumfordstaff (if that makes sense)

Thanx Lel
Which kennel is yours from?

ok, so there are more plus points to having one, I am coming round to the idead, but would i get one in time to register the pups, they would be due mid june (if all goes well with the mating and pregancy of course!!)
She is going to the vets later today to have her eyes checked and i will have her checked over while i am there.

Errrrr not wishing to sound a sour note but is your vet on the eye testing panel, because if not you will not get a certificate to show the owner of the stud dog who will or should ask to see it, the SBT being on the schedule 1 list for PHPV and HC. Not sure what other health tests you will need but one of the breed clubs should be able to help you with this. Are you using a proven sire, best way if your bitch is being mated for the first time and don't forget to ask for his health test results, eyes, hips and may be heart.

Hi
yes the vet is, and certificate is issued after test is completed and passed. The only req. health checks for Staffs are the eyes. Stud is proven, and siring good litters.And he carries a current clear eye certificate.

Thanx for the concern, i had the same concerns myself so i checked it all out.

Em (:))

Glad about that Em, some people do have their stock hip scored and as the worse so far is 23 may be more should consider having their dogs scored.

Unfortunately there seem to be very few that hip score staffys

Hi mumford, I applied for an affix last month and just got one accepted although I cant use it until june coz it has to be published in kennel gazette and you can use it four weeks after that. If you applied for an affix now then if it went straight through you may be able to use it when you register your pups, but the chances are that it will be granted and you will not be able to use it before you register the pups anyway, but I stll advise you to get one then at least people know who bred the pups that are in the pedigree.
Amy

Hi
just to let you all know that Jazz passed her eye test with flying colours and the Vet said she is super fit & in Beautiful condition and breeding shouldn't be a problem! (jazz's eyes nearly popped out of her head when he checked that !!!!)
Lets just hope she stands for the stud now !

Thanx everyone.

We are still thinking of Affix names although Enigma is the favorite at the moment (thanx for suggesting that!)

Emma

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I don't know about many other breeds but in gundogs we usually find a theme for naming our litters, or they might be a first litter and all names begin with A, the next litter all begining with B and so on.
As to an affix, imagine if a puppy you bred and sold to someone else went BIS at Crufts.... there would be nothing linking that puppy to you. So if you have an affix it is easier to be linked to that puppy. If it hadn't got your affix as part of his name, you'd be kicking yourself that day!
I suspect that as you have a Stormbull bitch and using a quality dog from the same line, it would be a good idea to get an affix. Although the form states you have to choose six names you don't have to put six if you don't want to. My friend kept applying for her affix one name at a time so there was no way she was going to get what she didn't want. Made up names are less likely to be rejected. Many people choose a name from a place near where they live.
The kennel club issue a book listing every affix in existence, so it might be a good idea to see whether the name you come up with is in existence, or if something else similar exists before you apply.

Hi Em, in some breeds anyway I think Brihow Collies may be understating the case by saying she is an 'affix snob'. I suspect that in some breeds you might find pups with no affix hard to sell, because some people would assume that you were not really interested in the breed.

I know of two without affix litters in my own breed (an 'affix prevalent' one) recently where the pups were very difficult to place. There may have been other reasons of course, but the lack of affix probably didn't help as well bred pups are usually snapped up before they are conceived never mind born.

For myself, I'd buy a pup without an affix in a breed I know well because I'd know all the breeding behind the litter, but wouldn't in a breed I know less well.

Hi Guys

Thanx for all the advice, I am pleased to say that we have decided to get an Affix!
Now we have to choose one, i somehow think that this is going to be harder than whether to get one or not !

Does anyone know if Jazzstaff is being used?
or does anyone have any ideas, my name is Emma, my Husbands is Nigel, my bitches home hame is Jazz and my 3 kids are called jack, amy & beckie(or boo)!.

any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Emma (:))

There is a Jackstaff but havent heard of a Jazzstaff (which doesnt mean there isnt one) but I do think they sound a little too similar ??

oh, it's just that Jazz is our foundation bitch so i thought it would be nice to include her name in it, if you have any other ideas, let me know (;))

Many thanx

Emma

You could try jumbling the kids names and seeing if anything comes up , or rearranging them with Jazz's name in too , or maybe something to do with the area you live in etc . :)
Good luck

ok Lel, thanx again for everthing, will let you know how we get on with the affix and the possible puppies!

Sure it's too much to hope that it's not taken already, but how about 'Dynamite' after her KC name?  (There is a PLS named 'affix Dynamite', so it can't have been an affix when that was registered.)

M.

i am not sure that Stormbull Ms Dynamite at/of Dynamite would sound right?

Hi,
There is also a Jagsstaff, which is also quite similar.

I quite recently got an affix for my Staffords, which is Lorandan.
My childrens names are Lori and Danny, easy really.
I find it harder to name the pups.

michelle.

Try one of the online anagram makers. I went through every possible local place name in a fairly obscure bit of the UK but got nowhere until I tried anagrams. :) I don't know about staffies, but it might be a good idea to look at the 'tone' of affixes before you begin. Some breeds can be a bit stuffy & snobby and I'd hate to have discovered that after I'd shelled out to register something like 'Rumbleplop' or 'Quickpoop'! :D

As your names are Nigel and Emma why not go for something using most of those letter. One that springs to mind straightaway is Enigma which mixes both your names! Or affix came from our surnames which are Luxton and Bignall we lost the ton and the big and opted for Luxnalls. We toyed with Bigton and Tonnalls and Biglux but just something just made us choose Luxnalls. Having looked at it again why not use the first letter of each of your faimlys name so it would be NEBAJ or JABEN or something like that. Have fun and let us know how you get on!!!!!

hi all

all of your suggestions are great, my husband and i will spend the weekend coming up with some and i will post the final 6 on here on monday.
I will visit the anagram site, i will also mess about with our names and i do like Enigma thats is wicked! but as she is officially hubby's dog (the next one is mine!) although you would think she is mine, I will have to get his opinion too, they eventually will be both of ours (me showing him playing!).

Keep the ideas coming, they are great.

hi all
just to let you know we have chosen the final 3 names we like, (can't think of any more!)

1) Enigmastaff
2) Khimirastaff
3) Adriastaff

let me know what you think, it's going in the post tommorrow!!

and thanx for all the help with it. Specially luxnallsstaff for the suggestion of Enigma

Emma
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Have you considered the length of those names as an affix.  Total length of a puppy's name when first registered is 24 characters.  By having an affix 13 characters in length you limit the remainer of the name to 11 characters.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

If you decide to choose a place name and the modern version is taken then try looking for an older version. For example my village was originally called Headdas Homestead, then it eventually became Nedreham and in todays modern world it is Haddenham. John is the guy to ask about this. When one of my kids was researching the village name, he came up with loads of examples from the Wycombe area and seemed to know where to look for other information.

If you ever get to make up a champion using Enigma then I belive I am entitled to a 50% share in the glory for giving you the name!!!!!!!

Hi Mumford

If its any help I've got a copy of the KC affix directory and could tell you if your ideas are already taken.  It's a couple of years old now, but would at least give you a guide.  Jazzstaff is already taken :(

Lesley

Edited to say: No sign of Enigma being taken though, or anything similar :)

Lesley
where do you get hold of the Affix Directory - I presume it is the KC. ?

hi everyone,
i am apllying for an affix in the next few weeks and i know the fee is £70, but can anyone out there tell me how much the yearly upkeep for the affix name is. i am asking as i can't get into the kc website at the moment.

many thanks
violet-anne

it's £20 a year with direct debit (:))

thanks mumford16

Hi Chardonnay!

Yes, from the KC. I think it cost about £8, which was a bit rich because it isn't even a proper book, just a loose leaf thing!  You can order it online.

Best wishes
Nigel ;)

Aaarghhhh, why does it do that - not put the reply where you wanted it to be

Edited again - it's £10 now

Thats great, Enigma is our first choice, so that would be wonderful if it is free!!

How about Dubacco? it's supposed to mean black.
thats what dam & sire are black brindle & white.

you would be welcome to it, it is a wicked name!, hubby loves it too, its definitly first choice!
Thanx
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Hi Mumford

No Dubacco; there's Dubarrie and Dubrinkos which are the nearest to it.

Lesley

Thanks Nigel ;)

from Chardonnay - who is looking suitably glammed up after trip to the hairdressers :)