Hi..
My boxer has an 'over shot' bottom jaw. Nothing too serious, but his tonuge does stick out a little when he's relaxed. I know he doesn't fit the 'breed standard' but would this put people off using him as stud dog?
In all other respects he is the perfect boxer, and with a wonderful temprament, he'd make a fantastic shire.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Sorry but if he does not fit the breed standard he will not make a fantastic sire, unless you want to help improve the breed you should not even think of breeding, what is the point of breeding a dog which does not fit the standard unless your main consideration is money and not the welfare of the breed.

Thanks for your quick, sharp reply.
I was thinking of breeding from him...thats why I came on here to ask peoples opinions. Just because I was thinking about it, it doesn't mean to say I will do it.
I was after advice, thats all.
And no, I'm not just after the money. If that was the case, I would have just studded him out anyway rather than coming on here asking advice.

Sorry but advice is what you got. If you care about the breed don't do it.

There are so many posts here about people wanting to "stud out" their dogs.  It is important for novices to understands that most people are wanting to breed a littler to be as near the standard as possible, and to achieve this they want the best possible potential sire for the litter.  The most reliable way to achieve this is to watch the dogs in the ring, study their pedigrees, and pick a dog from thoses either consistentlly winning, or the sires/grandires of these dogs.  Not a lot of caring, knowledgable, reputable breeders are just looking for the closest dog to home, or a nice pet with a "lovely" nature.  And then there are the health tests to consider.  On top of that, do you have any knowldege of mating dogs, it is not always as easy as it appears to be, and then there are the potential behavioural changes that having a bitch will make to your boy.  It often seems like a good idea (or the way to make a quick buck) to stand your dog at stud,  the reality is different, and on top of the details already mentioned would you have the inclination, facilities and cash available to take responsibility for all or some of the litter if people can no longer cope - as happens all too often with a  big boisterous breed like boxers?
bye
Gwen

Hi Fat Lass, I want to understand exactly what your dogs mouth looks like. You have described it as overshot bottom jaw. Do you mean that the botton teeth are further forward than the top. If you do, that is correct for the Boxer breed. Or do you mean that the top teeth are infront and overlapping the bottom, that would be scissor or overshot depending upon the degree. Boxers ought to be undershot,i.e. the bottom teeth are infront and the top teeth are tucked behind.
Dawn R.

Fat lass
a boxer should have an UNDERSHOT bottom jaw...i.e the bottom teeth should be infront of the top ones.
If this is what your dog has than he has the correct bite...this still doesn't neccesarily make him 'stud material' .Has he had all the neccessary  health tests and has he been shown with success or been looked at by a breed expert...not just Joe Bloggs down the road.
There are thousands of unwanted boxers out there that people have bred because they think their pet pooch is a perfect dog....we all own perfect dogs...in our own eyes. The idea is that people who know what a GOOD boxer looks like should agrre with you
Archer

Thank you for all this 'friendly' advice!
Yes, his jaw is under shot..not over! Sorry..I got a little mixed up there! His bottom jaw is slightly longer than his top jaw.
What makes me ask is because, when we got him, his breeder asked if we didn't mind, she'd like to use him as stud. I got him purely as a pet, and have never concidered breeding from him. Now, although she still seems interested, she never gets back to me with anything 'cerment'.
I had him heart-scored recently (he scored zero) but I haven't yet had his thyroid, eyes or hips checked. I thought I'd quiz people on whether it was worth continuing before I went any futher.
Glad to find people who can offer me 'friendly' advice as yes, I am a novice and don't know a great deal about this sort of thing.
I haven't ever showed him, like I said, I got him as a pet, not anything else. He is a lovely dog in every respect, and if there is a chance of him being used as stud, I'd love to involve him. Obviously though, not for the wrong reasons.

Unfortunately unless you can guarantee a steady supply of girls using a dog can turn him from your pet into a dog that will have a go at any male dog in the vicinity. It can make them start cocking their leg in the house as well. So my best advise would be not to do it unless you are prepared to accept that things may change.

Jesse

Smart breeder gets an on call stud without the hassle of living with one ;)

After being used at stud he might want to be "bitching"all the time which is not pleasant to live with. We have such a dog locally & anyone walking a dog or bitch near him is followed by him & he attempts to mate every dog & bitch he co,es into cntact with(he came a cropper when he tried it on my late X breed)

I have 4 beautiful show quality cavaliers males who will probably never be used at stud, which is fine by me as they & my "virginal"BC's live in total harmony ruled by me & my spayed Alpha female GSD. If one was used at stud it could disrupt the whole "pecking"order amougst the dogs.

I think everybody has been honest...not unfreindly just plain honest.If you want to hear what will keep you happy this is the wrong place to ask advice.
Everyone has given you sound advice in a pleasant way...no one has slated you or been disrespectful so why do you seem upset by it...is it cos its not what you wanted to hear?
I have just been given a beautiful bitch shiba....she is a very nice example except she has a slight mouth fault.She was therefore given to my daughter because she will not be shown or bred from since the breed in general is more imprtant than any single dog.She has now been speyed.
Archer

Fat Lass it was you who said your dog is not to breed standard and we said in that case he should not be bred from. If you are now saying he is a good example of his breed the advice would be different. We can only reply to the information you give us, we can't see the dog.

Hi there

It does sound like the bottom jaw is undershot which is correct but if his tongue is popping out then it sounds as if he is too undershot as the teeth should be too tight together for that to happen.  It is really not worth putting your Boxer up for stud unless he is an A1 example of the breed winning well in the show world you would be risking a possible change in his behaviour towards other dogs etc. There are many champions available to use at stud for a very reasonable price most of them do not get a great amount of stud work all you will be attracting are the bitches who have been refused by the top dogs owners or people not breeding for the right reasons (to better the breed).
Sorry if that sounds harsh but as a stud dog owner myself (reserve cc multiple best of breeds etc) I can tell you there are very little rewards and a lot of hassles

Hi...
Thanks for all this wonderful advice! It is being taken on board well and truely, and I appreciate all that you tell me.
I have looked into this loads, and think I know what to expect...well, hopefully!!
My boy is almost 2 years old now, and obviously hasn't been castrated. He already loves the ladies very much, but is terrible with other fella dogs. Very aggressive and nasty. The thought of him messing in the house doesn't appeal to me very much, but apart from that, he already does many of the things that are likely to change him. The main thing that would upset me I think, is the thought that he would no longer obey me when out for a walk, if we came across another dog (of either sex) Is this likely to happen?
I would love to get into breeding and showing boxers in the future, and really I purely looking for a starting point. I'm a total novice at this and don't even know if my boy confirms to the breed standard. (I'm confused now!! I thought he didn't, but now it seems he does!!)
He is so well behaved in every respect other than not liking other male dogs. I want to look at every detail before I go any futher.
Again, thanks for all your help!
If I don't 'show' him, would that put off all repected breeders?

I'm sorry to say if hes very nasty and aggressive towards other males he should not be used .You obviously can cope with his behaviour...there are many people out there that couldn't and he may pass this on to his offspring.
His aggression may also get even worse once used at stud.
I don't know how others feel about this but I would not want to use an aggressive stud or buy a pup from one.
Sorry if this is not what you want to hear but it is just my opinion.
As far as showing is concerned its the best /only way for a novice to get their dog seen by respected breeders who may want to use him.
Archer

Not necessarily if he was a truly exceptional dog, but there are lots of Boxer's in the ring that are close to the breed standard that are also at stud.

If he already has dog to dog aggression then using him at stud would make him a lot worse & if he is already bitching using him at stud will also increase that too. I doubt you would be able to let him off lead because if he got the scent of a bitch he would be off after her & nothing would stop him

I woul enjoy him as the lovely pet I'm sure he is & forget about the stud work.

Thank you all so very much for your help on this matter.
It's not that I did'nt want to hear the bad with the good, I want to hear it all. But at first it did seem a little abrupt. I guess I sounded a little naive. I am! Thats why I'm asking questions. I'd rather ask than forge ahead and breed him just for the sake of it. I wasn't convinced he was to breed standard, but it appears he is.
Not sure what I'm going to do from here. Don't think I'll go any futher with it. Like I said, I've never owned a Boxer before..or a male dog come to that, and don't really know how they act with other dogs. Only ever owned Bitches and they've never been aggressive with other dogs. I love him the way he is...even if he is hard work with the fellas..and don't really want to change him.
I'll keep you posted anyway.
Thanks for your help...and like I said before, I do want to get into this in the future..I'm smitten with the breed now! I'll know where to come for advice! Thank you x

Fat Lass, would suggest that you join a breed club and even if you do not want to show, go to a few shows and look at the dogs who are winning and read the breed standard and try to see which are good dogs and where those that do not strike you as so nice fall shot of the standard. Get chatting to some of the people there and learn all you can about the breed you have fallen in love with.

Fat lass
theres more to breed standard than a bite....although it sounds as if his mouth may be correct it is one tiny part to consider.
Its great that your asking questions....its how we learn after all.
I would get to some shows,talk to some breeders and owners with the thought of showing and breeding your next boxer maybe?
Archer

If he is already dog-aggressive he will almost certainly get far worse once he's been used at stud. Breeding animals should have a 100% sound temperament, and one that's 'iffy' should not be considered. Sorry.

hello just thought i'd stick my oar in!!!! most boxer breeders are striving to improve poor mouth confirmation as some dogs are so badly undershot the tongue sticks out constantly, i have a puppy that has one of the best mouths that the judges and breeders have seen for a long time her bottom jaw is only slightly in front of her top, if your dogs tongue is lolling out it sounds like it might be too undershot. also i agree with the others on the aggression thing if your dog is aggressive already then using him for stud will make him worse also 2yrs is quite old to start using your dog for stud it is usually recommended that a dog be used when it is young first so he knows what to do then if he's to start a stud career to start after 2yrs(i know someone will correct me here), just because he likes the ladies doesn't mean he'll perform as if he's been kept as a pet you probably have scolded him for sniffing the bitches bums and he'll remember that.

I think the most important thing for you to remember is that you bought him as a pet, love him as a pet, and presumably want to keep him as a pet.  Using him at Stud, even just once, could radically change your ability to enjoy his companionship both in the house and on your walks.  On the subject of his bite, if his tongue is visible then even though he has an undershot bite it is probably much too undershot, and is therefore a fault.  And his temerament around other males is far from ideal.  Both of these problems render him less than ideal to breed from.  Has your breeder seen him recently and given you an honest evaluation, and does your breeder show her dogs, and breed dogs who are regularly winning?  And unfortunate "sales Pitch" I have often had repeated to me by puppy purchasers of male dogs is that the dogs breeder stated at the time of sale that the dogs had a potential career in adulthood to be used at stud.  This was almost invariably from "back yard" type breeders, and was often used as a ploy to get people to buy males instead of bitch pups.

If you want to get into showing and breeding why not visit some shows, watch some boxers in the ring and "get your eye in" for the breed.  Buy Boxer breed books, look at web sites from top kennels?
bye
Gwen

In your previous post you said that your male pops his teeth, shows his tongue, and does not have good, tight feet. Unfortunately it is doubtful that any reputable bitch owners would care to risk having these serious faults passed on.

If you wish to start showing and breeding it is advisable to purchase the very best bitch that you can afford. She may well become a good foundation bitch for your breeding program.