Paignton schedule arrived today.....

£21 per dog.   So I checked SKC too.  The same.     How do the 2 most remote champ shows charge the most for entry fees?     I really want to enter Paignton too but there's a limit on how much money I can pick off the tree.   Yet Crufts is £20 an entry and they have 5 halls at the NEC.     Someone point out the logic in that?

Some shows have high prices, but most people will pay them!

Crufts gets away with only £20 because the trade stands pay for the hire of the halls!!!! (they pay alot of money!!!!!!!!!!!)

Rox

Prabaslby the law of supply and demand, they are remotest, so have a lesser entry, so have to charge more to provide the same facilities?
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Gwen

But why put them up a pound every year. Even with a low entry of say 7,000 dogs that is still an extra £7k, I can't see that the venue has gone up that much.

JMO
Sandra

On top of venue there is benching, tenting, equipment hire, clean up cots, printing, insurance, and possibly a whole load of other expenses, many of which will have gone up.  I have no idea how much, if any, profit the Ch societies make - but would imagine the ones with a big entry manage to make more than the distant ones.
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Gwen

don't forget the charges the kc take off also the charges not many of us know about.
Carol

& the small matter of judging fees & expenses paid to some judges

One year I was staying at a hotel with resaonable room charges & the Irish setter judge was staying there but had to move to the hotel that all the Crufts judges stayed at the night before Crufts, the cost of the Crufts room was £160 a night excluding dinner !!!(it's now £180). crufts insisted she stayed there dispite the fact that the other hotel was only minutes away.

I believe the venue  (Paignton) alone cost over £10,000 last year...thats before the tenting, benching, printing etc. Plus paignton doesnt get a high number of trade stands so they need to make up the £££ somewhere else.

I can not make up my mind how I feel about the fees sometimes.

Breed shows or cartainly my breed champshow costs about £9-£10 obviously because it is only a certain amount of dogs at the show but if you take that figure as a ratio of space to dogs then really the size of the ground being bigger should be relative to the entries so really how does it double?

I know all about the costs etc but should the show break even or make money?

Just thoughts

Pamela

Sam what was the entries at Paignton? do you know?

Just wondered..

Pam

Just looked them up in last years catalogue.
Dogs 7438
Entries 9005

That is around £150,000 income from entries alone, venue £10k, leaves £140k   Can benching, tents, judges expenses really add up to that.

yes but don't forget about show licences with more than 40 set of cc £1000.00
maintenance of tilte 50.00 a general champ show offering 40 sets costs 250.00
there is also and additional fee for every dog entered at a champ show of 20p all these fees might not seem much but they can sharp add up,then there are things like porta toilets and marquees are not cheap to hire then there is the cost of lighting and running generators if needed getting caterers in to feed judges etc,
i tell you what annoys me is when i pay to enter a show and i have to pay to get my child in also, what do they expect me to do leave her at home with out supervison many of us have to take our kids with us as we don't have babysitters.

How do Leeds do it all for about £16 an entry, free carpark etc.?    If show venues are costing societies a lot surely they should be looking to change to keep the costs down.  I will be definitely picking & chosing this year on where I'm going.   I don't know how anyone with a few dogs can afford to show them all now especially with travelling costs too.

Lily Munster you are up here in the cold with me eh??

I try not to add up the costs especially as I do most travelling to shows myself.

Most are on average 300 miles from me.  So an average show cost me approx £125 for my entry of one dog, fuel and a single B&B so it can be costly. I know everyone has a lot of costs just wished for me they were not so far down.  Sometimes the long driving kills me. I take days to catch up. I recently bought a bigger newer caravan to use this year. It won't save me money as the camp sites are as expensive as B&B and it doubles your fuel costs but at least it is not such a mad dash and I can hopefully stay 2 days & take all the dogs.

Pam

I am lucky, in that this year I have someone who has a youngster in the same breed as me, who doesn't drive and so I can take her to some of the Champ shows and halve my fuel costs.   But the ones that are further I really have to think long & hard about.

My fav championship show has to be Border Union - on a good day (B****y freezing if it's not!), Leeds is a close 2nd.    Worse?    Driffield - why start judging at 9am & you have to try & battle through the Doncaster rush hour?   Closely followed by SKC if it's a cold windy day and if it's wet, then your dogs become "pink" dogs courtesy of the car park...that's if your tyres haven't burst on the potholes in the road!

Where abouts are you Pam & what breed?

Better watch that the "phantom emailer" doesn't cut & paste this & send it to the respective secretaries!

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LiLy,

I have been on here for about 3 years now. I just changed my user name a while back after I heard someone mis quote a post from here at a show. Made me think just how vunrable we are. Anyway I was pmoir till I got married then preidie ;-)

I have 3 westies that I show. We chatted a while back as I think you were at a Dundee open I was at oh about 2 years ago.

My list is Scottish Breeds next week,  My breed champ show.  Border Union, 2 X SKC ( I agree about the chips want to try pull a trolley over them, Knackered before you get there, toliets awful most of the time) but it is close.  Darlington, Leeds, Driffeild.  

I have entered Stafford this year so far down south , National terrier ,  3 counties, Birmingham dog show, my breed club but the English club which is in Coventry . Border union.  I think that is it so far LOL

My hubby thinks it costs me £5...ROFLOL

Pam

Sat one day during the week and  did all my entries on line.

On the whole I can swallow £20 when it is a good venue with good facilities, easy parking etc. 

But when you go to one, (and there are several) you have travelled several hours, only to find filthy toilets, not enough of them, muddy walkways, c**p catering, no or insufficient seating around the ring, benching in marquees with no room to swing a cat and uncut grass, I start to get rather annoyed and feel I am being ripped off. 

JMHO of course.

I think we must all have our favourite Champ. shows/venues.  Leeds is probably my favourite (even though we dont have tickets for Yankees) and it is usually blessed with great weather.  SKC one of my unfavourites - May show usually freezing and I HATE the car park!  Starting to be not very fond of the Stafford ground, but that is probably due to the sense of deja vu as you pull up - just how many shows a year do we have there now -is it  4 general (plus Groups, ike Toydog)?
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Gwen

Then they has the money for the Caravan park  £35 if payed with entry and £45 if paid on arrival. I do not know quite who get that, wether they hire the field for a fixed some, and anything over go's to the Paignton show funds, but that is payable with entry so I would think that the show society get the cash.  There are hundreds of caravans on that site

I did think charging the extra on the Caravans where a bit much if not done on entry. It is bad enough if for some reason you cannot go and losing your your entry fee etc without losing the caravan cost also. 

I guess they see it as guaranteed money if you pay it at the entry time and know how many are going to be there but maybe a deposit would have also worked.

BFN Pam

We had to pay quite a bit extra for benching this year as the price had gone up.