she has a tail, so what, she is super but why do rotties with docked tails get recognition ? there is no need for them to be docked. don't get me wrong i can show her in obedience, or fly ball, agility etc.. but she is not accepted in shows, she could never be a best of breed or best in show and thats a shame because she is lovely!

That is simply not true. As long as she is KC registered then you can show her, tail or no tail. I recently attended a rottweiler Ch. show & saw more than one with a tail. There is no KC rule that stops an undocked dog from being shown and you are as entitled as the next person to enter. if your bitch is of good quality & you pick your judge carefully then your chances are equal to anyone elses :)
However if your bitch is NOT good quality then you have to accept that she is unlikely to do well in a breed that has high entries & a high standard.

If she is KC registered (breed register) you CAN show her..tail or no tail!! There are dogs now that are doing well despite having a tail when they are normally docked.
Archer

As the others have said if she's KC registered then you can show her.  There's a Spanish Water Dog at the moment doing quite well here in England, have to admit I don't like them with tails on but she's a pretty bitch and deserves her placings.  I wdn't show one with a tail, but we all have our preferences.

  cc's have been given to tailed rotts, ----but theres also so much more has to be right to be a winner/

who said you can't show her with a tail as long as she is kc reg no prob.
there is a lovely bitch with a tail at shows at the moment and she is doing very well.
i can also see in the future a lot more breeders leaving tails on if they want to take their rotties abroad to show.
Carol

Found Chloe's post somewhat aggressive when you consider that it was totally wrong, and wonder if we are all supposed to be arguing about docking by now. ;)

One of our American cockers has a full tail, and he has won 2 CCs since last Autumn.  All breed standards now have a "tailed" bit added, so to speak.
bye
Gwen

A lot will depend on your judges attitude, the KC does say they should refuse appointments if they feel they can't judge tailed versions of a docked breed, they don't believe me. I've had a judge tell me to my face if she was docked I'd have given her best bitch but with a tail no and that was in the ring whilst the dog was in the challenge. 

If you show a tailed version of a docked breed you accept it, complain and all you get is 'ohh sour grapes coz you didn't win' really no point, judges will knock you for the tail and tell you very quietly so you have no witnesses just don't go under them again, enjoy your day out with your dog.  Not all judges are like that although having spoken with some overseas exhibitors of undocked dogs a couple have said I think the accent helps as they know it is illegal in my country, certainly not something I'd thought about before but I could see how they'd come to that conclusion.

yes i looked at that the other day and have seen that they have added a bit for tailed dogs in the yankies
bibi for naw fiona

sory jackie, but there really was nothing aggressive in chloes original post, however many times i read it. and so what if she was wrong? the point of this board is to ask questions about things we dont understand....no point in anyone asking a question asking if they already know the answer is there? :)

I was at the Seville show last w/end & a young rottie with a tail won her class :)

Christine Spain.

OK angry :) If it was and answer to can I show my dog then ok, yes you can no need to be so cross about it or complain that your beautiful dog cant be shown when you are not sure if what you are saying is the truth or not. If you make a statement you are not asking for an answer. And that was how I read it as a statement not a question. Or if it was a question the question was "why are docked dogs looked down on" well there may be people who do not like the look of it but that is up to the owner of the dog, if the dog is any good it will do ok in the ring - the tail is not an issue.

sorry if u thought i was aggresive there jackie, all i was saying was that i couldnt show her or that is what i was told! she is registered with the kc but only wta, when we bought her i was told that she couldnt be registered because they didnt have the dads details of pedigree etc so they couldnt dock her but anyway i have registered with the kc in wta. people in the street are always asking if i show her and telling me i should. thanks for all the info u have all given me!

Ah, different thing altogether, you cant show her, apart from Companion shows, because she is not KC reg..  The lack of her Fathers KC will mean she could never be registered, but has no effect on if she was docked or not - I think your breeder may have been a bit creative on the info you were given :(
bye
Gwen

yes i think so too, now i know alot more still learning. i have been told i can build up the pedigree from breeder her, if the dad has all his papers is that right?

Sorry, Chloe read your breeding one first and now seen the rest of this.  If her father is not KC registered then no you can't build up her pedigree and unfortuntely never will be able to.  You can enter companionship shows though as the other people have stated and they are really good fun, you can still enter the breed classes as it doesn't matter if she's not registered.  At many of these shows they have agility etc. going on to.

I hope that you have a great time.

well what advice would you give me then. had i have found more out before buying her i would probably considered my options, i love her to bits but i would like a show quality dog, what are your opions? i would love to show to high standards,

If you want to show to high standards then you are going to need another dog. One that is KC registered. I'm afraid there is no other option. Sorry.

Chloe, start going to shows as a visitor and watch.  Go to both Open Shows (which are less pressure and more friendly) and Championship Shows too.  So start with all the dogs will look the same!!! :p  Then, as you get your eye in, you'll notice differences, and in turn what YOU like and what doesn't please you so much.  I would suggest that after a period of learning you talk to a breeder who consistantly produces dogs who are regularly placed.  That's not necessarily the same as the top breeder - they will probably have a long waiting list.
There's no reason why you can't take the girlie that you already have to ringcraft classes - there's a lot for you to learn.  She'll enjoy the training and the socialising!!  And you can practice in some Companion Shows this summer - so by the time you get your next girl, you'll know exactly what to do!!
Good luck and enjoy.

Hi Chloe, if I were to put myself in your position, I would keep you tailed girl and love her as the wonderful family pet she obviously is. Then I would find myself a really good reputable breeder with the help of the Kennel Club. I would also take myself to some dog shows and speak to people in the breed to gain as much knowledge as I could.

So basically it's back to square one, and start all over again. You already know more than you did last week. I do hope you soon find a new puppy with show potential. Keep us informed, we like to hear how things go.
Best wishes Dawn R.

Chloe
you said<<<<i have been told i can build up the pedigree from breeder her, if the dad has all his papers is that right? >>>
do you mean if she has a litter of pups and the sire is KC reg??
If this is what you mean then NO....the pups will not be able to be registered since the mother isn't and it will make no difference to your bitches pedigree or lack of papers either
As everyone has said...keep her as a pet,learn by your mistakes(we all make them) and buy a show quality rottie from a reputable breeder. Buy from someone who regularly produces dogs who do well in the ring...a oedigree full of red print is no guarantee of show quality
Archer

hello - i find it interesting that this person would like to show at top level - unfortunatley its not easy as buying a puppy from a good breeder in rottweilers the competition lately is very strong and i think it would be wrong of us to suggest that you can buy a decent puppy and show at top level as we all know it takes years of research and knowledge to get that puppy that is going to do really well and in the real world your average good breeder will usually keep the best for themselves to show the best you can hope for is to perhaps qualify for crufts at a champ show, but i'd forget about the top level thing for the moment and just enjoy yourself, its all too easy to forget that its supposed to be a hobby and something you enjoy.

It does happen, though. In my breed a dog puppy was sold as a pet, and luckily the new owner kept in contact with the breeder and the owner of the sire, who assured him that the pup showed great promise. The owner didn't want to show the pup himself, but allowed more knowledgeable people to handle him in the ring. In this dog's show career he won more than 35 CCs, and took the RCC from the Veteran class at this year's Crufts.

I apprecriate that she may find it hard/impossible to purchase an absolute top quality dog capable of winning CC'S but any reputable 'show' breeder if informed that the pup will be shown to champ level will try to ensure that that dog will not look out of place in a champ show ring and is of sufficient quality to be 'considered'...after all it carrys their affix and they shouldn't want their 'pet quality' dogs in the ring.
When we purchase a pup for the ring we represent the breeder everytime we enter that ring....a good dog shows the breeder in a good light and vice versa.
When most of us buy to show, yes we dream of winning BOB at crufts...who wouldn't but in reality we are happy to have a show quality dog who is worthy of his place in the ring. No one thinks they are going to be sold the next breed record holder.
Archer

   

Hi Chloe, understand now, as I believe you do, that the reason you cant show is because you bitch is not registered and nothing to do with her tail. Think others on here and other threads have explained more about the advantages of having a KC registered dog both from the showing and breeding point of view. :)

If your Rottweiller is good enough she will win.  If you find that a judge you go under does not examine her properly just don't go under them again.

sorry but what is a WTA KC registration, please?

From the KC site under Activities register

"Any dog of any ancestry may be registered in the Activity Register (Working Trials and Obedience Register WTO). Any dog on this register may then compete in obedience, working trials, agility and flyball competitions licensed by the Kennel Club. It is not eligible to compete in field trials or gundog working tests."

I'm glad we dont have this problem here in Australia as the majority of states have banned docking,which i am staying neutral on ;) But i have heard that breeders will find somewhere other than the vets to get their pups docked,which sounds very worrying,how will breeders dock without the help of  a vet,is it really that hard to do??

Christine :)

Well before the vets decided that they wished it to be done exclusively by them, breeders did their own and I have to say in a lot of cases a good deal better than the vets did when the law first came in, but it has improved since. So I guess it will just return to the hands of the people who love their breed. There will be cases of cruelty and pups being docked too late and too short, but there is now. After all farmers do thousands of sheep every year and I can't see the difference, if anything pups will have a good deal more TLC than do lambs.

You can show any "customarily docked" breed that is undocked and some have been made up quite recently!