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By madaboutstaffie
Date 18.03.04 18:42 UTC
hello
can any one give some advice my 6months old blue and white staffordshire b t is ikc reg ( intercontinental kennel club ) i want to show her . how do i go about doing this ? and on her papers it has got her reg number and her mums but for her dads its got (open) what does this mean ? And i never got her pedigree papers should i of got this ?
many thanks
tracy
By Jackie H
Date 18.03.04 18:49 UTC
You can show her at companion shows but not Open or Championship shows. The IKC registration means nothing really, think it was started by the chap that was credited with bringing pitbulls into the UK and I guess, but don't know, that he started the IKC so he could sell pups and say they were registered.
To show at Kennel club shows, apart for Companion, you have to have a Kennel Club registered dog, or the dog must be registered by one of the recognised overseas registering Kennel Associations. Would doubt that you dogs parents were KC registered and therefor I am sorry to say you will have to be happy with the Companion shows until you get another dog.

Hi,
As Jackie says, as far as Kennel Club Open and Championship shows go, your bitch is ineligible, because the IKC 'registration' is not recognised. You can still have fun showing her at 'Companion' shows (they used to be called 'Exemption' shows, but I believe only in the 'fun' (not pedigree) classes.
By Molly1
Date 18.03.04 19:15 UTC
Hi JG.
Dogs do not need to be registered with the KC to go to comapnion shows in the pedigree classes. I dont think you have to give a reg number when you enter. But I may be wrong!! And I dont think you have to give their kc registered names.

Sorry, I got confused. I misread the post and assumed (from the 'registration') that the bitch was an ISBT, not a Staffordshire. As the ISBT is not a KC recognised breed, I don't think it could be shown in the pedigree classes. If it is a Staffordshire then yes, she can be shown in the pedigree classes.
:)

Dogs don't have to have a pedigree but they do have to be a breed recognized by the KC
Pet names only needed for compaion shows
So if your dog is an "Irish"Staffordshire Bull Terrier you cannot enter the breed classes, which is different from being an irish SBT(ie a SBT born in Ireland)
By madaboutstaffie
Date 18.03.04 19:38 UTC
hi
yes my girl is irish staffordshire bull terrier , so this means i can never show her then :-(
when i got her from the breeder . should i of got her pedigree papers aswell ?

Not unless the IKC guy starts organizing shows which I doubt
You can enter fun classes at the Companion dogs shows
& if you registered your dog on the activities register with the KC(can't be an Irish SBT tho}you could do obedience etc
wouldn't know about the pedigree as the registration is with the IKC which has no real rules etc like the KC

With a registration system like the Intercontinental KC (as opposed to the Irish KC) I'm not sure how much value can be placed on pedigree papers. My best advice to you would be to enjoy your bitch purely as a pet, and if you want to get into showing at some stage buy a Kennel Club registered dog. Sorry. Did you explain when you bought her that you were interested in showing?
By madaboutstaffie
Date 18.03.04 20:09 UTC
no i never, it really dont bother me about showing her i have 2 other staffordshire bull terriers and there not kc reg my dogs are just pet family dogs . i just thought as she was ikc reg i might show her.

Your best bet is just to enjoy her as a pet, and put ideas of showing or breeding her out of your mind. Good luck!
:)
By mali fan
Date 18.03.04 21:40 UTC
Hi,
How about other doggy sports? There are loads of other things your Staff can do. Weight-pull, obedience, agility to name a few. They are such intelligent dogs, yours should be good at all these. There's more to life than showing (though it's fun too). My Staff has no papers either but we still have loads of fun.
Enjoy!!
Sarah.
By Maddness
Date 19.03.04 07:51 UTC
Can I just say to clear things up that an ISBT is NOT an SBT born in Ireland!!!!!!!
An ISBT is a totally different breed that was developed by crossing SBT's with other breeds to get a long legged dog. They are not a recognised breed and just because a purebred SBT is born in Ireland it DOES NOT mean it is an ISBT!!!!!!
By Jackie H
Date 19.03.04 08:58 UTC
Don't think anyone was confused, who said that a ISBT was a SBT born in Ireland?
By Maddness
Date 19.03.04 09:10 UTC
Moonmaiden did, I just wanted to make sure everyone knew this as purebred SBT's over here in Ireland are getting a very bad rap due to the mix up with the ISBT and I hate readin statments like that asit simply isnt true. I'm not attacking her for saying it, I just wanted to clear it up.
By Maddness
Date 19.03.04 10:59 UTC
Sorry just to make things clear (as my las post didn't) I know that Moonmaiden said that an Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier is not an SBT just born in Ireland, what I am saying is that I am just making sure everyone knows that!!
Arrggghhh why doesn't it ever sound right when you are writing it as when you are saying it!!

NO I DID NOT
"So if your dog is an "Irish"Staffordshire Bull Terrier you cannot enter the breed classes, which is different from being an irish SBT(ie a SBT born in Ireland) "I put Irish Stafforhire Bull Terrier & irish SBT
The use of the capital letters denotes the breed ergo ISBT is not the same as an irish SBT. Perhaps you should try reading the posts & learn about the correct use of capital letters in the English language.
I am not so stupid as to think that the two are the same breed.
(Ergo means therefore)
By Jackie H
Date 19.03.04 11:54 UTC
OK thats sorted, true the poster did not make it clear, in fact, the original poster said they had a SBT in the first post, but we now know, don't we, that it is a ISBT and therefor can't be shown under KC rules except in the fun classes where a dog only has to be a dog to enter.
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