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Topic Dog Boards / Visitors Questions / Sibe in season.
- By Guest [gb] Date 11.03.04 16:38 UTC
My sibe came into season nine days ago, her vulver is swelling up but she is getting very grumpy and last night attacked my other dog he wasnt really even near her.  We will be giving her a litter and she got on fine with stud dog when we introduced them a week ago.  could this mean that its time to let them mate.  Looking in the book of the bitch it does say 9-14 days after season started but of course all breeds are different.  much appreciated to someone who can let me know.   (all test are done)
- By fluffypups [gb] Date 11.03.04 16:46 UTC
best advice i can give is to try her regularly throughout her heat to detemine the best time she may not stand until she feels shes ready all bitches are different. if the other male dog you mention is the stud then you will be fortunate in that you can test him with her every day until you get the right day, if not, then you will still have the advantage of being able to judge her reactions from her behaviour towardsw your male dog and his intereste in her. when stud dogs get experienced they will oftren not show much interest in a bitch who is not ready to be mated but younger less experienced dogs will try and force themselves on bitches. we have a stud dog who is coming near to the end of his stud career we have used him over many bitches and he wont go near her or flirt with her at all until shes ready, then there is no stopping him. 9 days is quite early so try again in a few days time and good luck
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 11.03.04 18:25 UTC
None of us will know, if you are unsure best to take her to the vet for a blood test. Do keep your male out of the way it is unfair to have him in the same house as an in season bitch, could you send him into kennels for the next 2 weeks or so, it would be much kinder to him and avoid accidents.
- By husky [gb] Date 12.03.04 08:37 UTC
What a lovely reason to breed! Your 'giving ' her  a litter and she 'gets on fine' with the 'stud dog'. Well thats alright then. Good grief I despair. Has your bitch done a lot of winning in the showground? Has the 'stud dog'? Are they both good workers in harness? Have you compared the lines of the dog and bitch to see if they are compatible? Have you researched their parents and grandparents? Have you asked the breeder of your bitch if the stud dog is suitable for her? Is she over 2 and a half? Have a look at the breeders board for more help on breeding and all the problems that can occur and think very hard about your motives for breeding, Siberian welfare is getting very busy as it is, and I know a lot of Sibe breeders who are struggling to sell puppies at the moment.
- By wildone [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:01 UTC
GOD YOUR A BIT HARSH, THE GUEST FROM WHAT I READ WAS ONLY ASKING A QUESTION,AND MAYBE HE/SHE HAS DONE HER RESEARCH,THEY SAID ABOUT THE TESTS , SO CALM DOWN,AND JUST ANOTHER QUESTION WHILE I AM AT IT, WHAT HAS (IS IT GOOD ONE THE HARNESS-GOOD SHOW DOG )GOT TO WITH ANYTHING? NOT EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR THAT, I WOULD HOPE, AS THERE IS MORE THE THAT TO THIS LOVELY BREED THAN LOOKS, AND PULLING POWER. I EXPECT SOME LOVELY REMAKES IN RETURN SOON THANK YOU.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:21 UTC
Please take your cops lock off - it is not only difficult to read it is considered shouting and that is rude.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:25 UTC
Think you are asking why it is important to breed from healthy dogs who are a good example of the breed and whos background you are able to trace. Is that what you are asking? If so we can reply or point you in the direction of past threads as this subject has been well covered before.
- By wildone [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:51 UTC
sorry jack h
- By Anwen [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:24 UTC
Have a look at how many Sibes are in rescue and you will understand why people are harsh with novice breeders (not just in Sibes either). If someone has to ask questions on this board, they obviously do not have the backup of experts & are unaware of all the problems which can arise - when disaster does strike they are unable to cope & someone else has to pick up the pieces. Sadly, it's the dogs who suffer from this ignorance.
Presumably, you would not agree with breeding from sub standard examples of the breed which is why there was a question about working ability. A Sibe should look like a Sibe (in other words conform to the standard). Yes, there is more than good looks & working ability - there is temperament & good health which are covered in the other questions. If the dogs concerned are lacking in any of those then they should not be bred from. I would also ask how the guest will cope is she is unable to sell all the puppies & are they able to guarantee that they will take the puppies back at any stage in their lives.
There are so many factors to consider before "giving the bitch a litter"
- By scratchy [gb] Date 12.03.04 10:42 UTC
i agree with husky!  far too many people about thinking just cos they have a bitch she should have a litter, without thinking about anything!

in response to wildone,
the idea of breedng is to better the breed, not to churn out substandard pups for a quick buck and the only way of knowing you have got a good siberian is by working it SUCCESFULLY in harness, a siberian is a working dog and must be able to do the job it was breed to do for hundreds of years.  it must have the right construction and movement to do this and the only way to asses this is to actually run them, get behind them on a rig/sled and see them MOVE in a harness.  a siberian is not a real siberian if it does not have a good working attitude and cant run effiecntly in harness. the "whole point of working" them in harness and breeding from succesful workers ensures the siberian remains a true working breed!

the "whole point of showing" and breeding from sucessful winners is to ensure they are as close as possible to the breed standard.  obviously you cant asses their working ability but you can asses their construction and temprement and other vitally important aspects of their make up which makes them a siberian. 

have you even read the breed standard?  have you got behind a a rig and ran a team of siberians??  seen the way they move in harness with their effiecient, light footed, ground covering stride??  seen their happy smiley, satisified faces once they have been allowed to run as they desire??
- By wildone [gb] Date 12.03.04 11:17 UTC
scratchy, no i'm afraid i have'nt although , i own 2 amazing huskies who my husband runs on a rig,and enjoys ,but does for fun with our children at weekends,i have never seen a working husky doing it nor have i seen a showhusky,i did watch crufts on saturday though to see them in the working class, but i guess they did'nt manage to get into the top lot for some reason.Anyway this is'nt answering the guest question,and i can't give advice as although mine are kc(1 is)they are family pets,and not workers or showdogs although my boys mum was and his dad was euro champ 97.
- By scratchy [gb] Date 12.03.04 11:38 UTC
well perhaps if you did actually work and show your dogs you would understand why it is so important to breed from healthy stock that are good examples of the breed but that also perform both well in harness and in the ring. 
there is nothing to stop you from showing and working your KC reg dog, you could even get your non KC registered with some organisations that will allow him to work also.  my dogs may work in harness and do the odd show, but they are 1st and foremost family pets, they work in harness cos they enjoy it.  why not come along to some shows and rallies?
- By wildone [gb] Date 12.03.04 12:48 UTC
ok i might well do that its knowing where to look though ,as i said i am a complete novice and my dogs are just pets,just to make it clear i'm not the one asking about breeding the guest is,the thought of breeding for me after looking on this site is to much hard work,although both my dogs have a lovely temper but as you said you should only breed to make the best you can and to better the breed, but they can't be that fussy in the wild!
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 12.03.04 13:03 UTC
Wildone, in the wild if they are not excellent examples of their breed they are killed or die because they are not fit enough to compete.
- By Jackie H [gb] Date 12.03.04 11:54 UTC
The thing is the world is not short of Huskies, so if you are going to breed you have to a reason other than adding to the numbers in rescue. It does not matter is they are going to pet homes or not it is still important to search your motives for breeding your bitch. IMO you should consider the following.

If you breed with quality bitch and the idea of producing pups that are even a little bit of an improvement then you are doing your best for the breed you love and own. If these pups are in turn bred with the same ethic then in time the breed will improve. The health will be better, the construction will improve, the temperament will be more suitable to domestication and although there will never be a perfect dog at least the breed will not be going backwards.

If you breed with any other thought in mind with a less than good bitch put to a mediocre dog and produce pups that may well be less representative of the breed than the dam, and in turn these pups are bred by people who either do not know or do not care about the breed, the pups will produce pups who are even further from the ideal standard and in the end in a few generations the progeny start to look more like mongrels than a husky.

Understand why we feel so strongly that breeding just because you can, is a huge disservice to the breed and why those of us who love our dogs are quick to try and steer people away from casual breeding?
- By wildone [gb] Date 12.03.04 12:52 UTC
as i said the guest sounds like she is just needing a little advice,i know i would'nt know how to tell if a bitch is ready for mating,i'm not even 100% sure what to look for when my bitch comes into her first season,if anybody could anwser that question, as i've already made plans to have my boy taken to my parents 50 miles away!
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