Hi all ,
Ok ... another question about showwing!
I think im slowly getting the rules ..very slowly , but i still have a few questions.
Challenge cert's , i know you only win one at shows that offer them and these basically earn you the right to "challenge" the other class winners for best in breed ?.So y getting a 1st 2nd or 3rd you gain a cc ...how many cc's are needed to become a champion?
Also , we watch the Newfoundland judging at crufts and found that not all the winners from all the classes were in the ring for the best of breed judging.Are only certain classes eligable ?
Many thanks ..any other tips greatly recieved!!
Zo x

You have the Challenge Certificate idea upside down:).  The unbeaten class winners of each sex challenge for Best of Sex, and the "CC", and yes, 3 CCs (under different judges) make up to a champion.    A dog who is entered in more than 1 class, wins one and is beaten in another cannot compete in the challenge for the CC.  And it is only the Winners (ie 1st place) who get to challenge, although 2nd may be called into the ring for the ResCC from the class from which the CC winner came .
bye
Gwen

So the CC is awarded to the best of breed only?
And i guess this is why people dont enter as many classes as id imagined.I often wondered why they only seen to enter one!!
So if your dog gets a first in the limit class but is second in Open it cannot get the CC ?
Do they normally bring all the unbeaten class winners of each sex back into the ring to choose the winner? and i guess there is only one CC available not one for each sex ?
Sorry , i am just trying to get it straight in my head!!
Zo x

Depends on the breed

In most breeds with CCs there are dog & bitch CC's for the best of sex

In some breeds at some shows there is only only CC for the best of breed

This is a new idea from the KC before if CC's were offered the best of each sex would be awarded a CC if the judge thought the dog of sufficient merit

Just to add confusion if a judge does not think there is a dog good enough they do not have to award the CC but still have to declare best of sex & best of breed

& as to coming second & not being awarded the CC well the judge has the right to invite into the ring any dog they deem of suitable quality to award a CC to which might include a second placed or lower dog. You have not right to challenge for the CC it's up to the judge which of the dogs they have judges they wish to consider for the CC. It has been known for beaten dogs to get CC's in the past. but not recently.

You can get a copy of the KC rules from the KC via the internet

Thanks for that.
So theretically only one from each breed at crufts was awarded a CC . I was confused because each class went in order and we saw 1st 2nd and 3rd awarded with rossettes and cretificates , and at the end i expected to see the winners of each class in the ring to challenge for the CC .. but there only appeared to be 3 dogs ~ which really confused me !!
We dont intend on showing , but a knowledge of whats going on would be nice.
As it happens the best of my breed was sire of my Mums dog :-)  so we were more than pleased.
Just one othe dumb question ...... when you say unbeaten .. please tell me it only means unbeaten in THAT show ?? not all shows ??

At Crufts there are CC's on offer for each sex in each breed of those breeds that are eligible. The low number inthe challenge could be that some of the 'winners' were beaten in other classes and therefore could not challenge.

Jesse

No, there are usually 2 from each breed awarded a CC - the Best Dog and the Best Bitch. These two then compete against each other for Best of Breed (for which there isn't another CC).

The dog classes are judged first, in order, and 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc awarded. All the class winners (1st place) then come back into the ring to compete for Best Dog (CC), but only if they haven't been beaten in a subsequent class.

Then the process is repeated with the bitches.

And yes, 'unbeaten' only refers to the placings at that particular show.
Hope this helps.
:)

Never heard that a beaten dog could be awarded the CC - the usual call for the challenge to the ring is "Would all unbeaten dogs (or bitches) come into the ring".  Not to try and complicate it too much for a newbie, the norm ( I have been showing for 14 years and never seen anything different) is for the unbeaten class winners to return to the ring for the challenge, first the dogs, straight after dog class judging, and then the bitches, after bitch class judging.  After this the Dog CC winner and bitch CC winner challenge for BoB, this being the dog who goes forward to the group.  The RCC is less rigid in format, and is up to the judge if they want to call in 2nd to the CC winner or award from the remaining line up.    Of course, awards can be witheld, but it rarely happens.
bye
Gwen

Thank you.
We were there at the end of the bitch classes and had missed teh last dog class ~ so probably the line up for best dog too which would explain why there was only one dog in the final line up !! ~ he had been chosen earlier after dog judging !! lol
I wish you guys new how confusing this all is to newbies! :-)
No cc's on offer for chewing up and being naughty i guess ? cos my  Ella's champion at that!
So 3 seperate CC's make you a champion ( under 3 different judges )and you keep count of how many CC's you get.