i have some probs keeping a nice thick coat on my american i baath him once a week
i just wondere if any american people could recomend anything that may help thanx
bibi
fiona

Hello Fiona, I have used a supplement called Fit & Fertile with some success on Yankee bitches. They tend to drop coat around the time of their seasons. It's not a 100% effective though, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I would think that if we're talking about a male, theres probably not alot you can do, there's certainly no magic potion. Just make the best of what he has, and present him to the best of your ability.
Dawn R.

Hi Fiona, do you brush  him between baths?  This is one of the most common mistakes people make, which causes coat loss.  Ours are only brushed out when being blow dried.  Secondly, do you use a good quality conditioner?  Sometimes if you use a coat spray (like Mink Oil or All systems Lanolin) after a bath on non show days, it can help.  We use evening primrose oil and cod liver oil supplements.  Also, we make sure the dogs in full coat are bathed and dried out after excercise, if they get at all muddy and/or damp.  Letting the coat dry out with mud or dirt on it makes it brittle and likelly to snap.  However, you also have to bear in mind (as Dawn said) that you cant always make happen what nature hasnt provided for - some Yanks just dont carry a full coat!

bye
Gwen

hi dawn and gwen
i never brush inbetween baths and if they get muddy i give them a bath ill try some of the stuff u have sugseted
bibi
fiona

maby hes not blessed with a big coat but when you look at him it looks quite nice and thick but it dosent feel that thick i do use evening primrose at the moment i just thought as his line carries a good coat you  might no  becaues his grandfather is ambrose and on the mothers side is mostley jaclee we have some lanolin as my sister uses it on the poodles but theres not much left do you no were we can get it from if you see me at a show you are welcome to come and see me and tell me what you think of his coat all this is helping me and i am very greatfull are you going to home counties club show he will be trimed better because amy english is helping me out this friday i cant wait! so naw he will be trimmed better haw did the puppies go at traning for the first time
thanx again
fiona

Hi Fiona,  No I'm not going down to Home Counties - too far just before Crufts.  Mike is taking Evelyn, though, along with the rest of the gang.  She blew some coat on her last season before Christmas, but it is coming back beautifully, unfortunatly, not yet completely  back :)  Amy will be able to give you excellent advice about the coat, she is a very talented and capable groomer.  Ambrose descendants usually carry loads of coat, in fact some of the boys have way too much! (which is a lovely problem to have).I knew some of Jackies bitches quite well, but not all of them, it would depend very much waht was behind that side of the pedigree if a lack of coat came that route.  But if it looks good, dont panic, remember the standard call for coat not to be so profuse it obsucres movement ;)  When Dexter was a baby we used to put him down in the All Systems lanolin mixed with their Botanical conditioner.  It was very effective.  Caroline Lee Farnsworth used to be the agent for All systems, but I think various of the trade stands now stock it (including Hub) so you should get it at Crufts OK.  Will put a schedule for Northern club in the post tomorrow,  you should be able to turn it round and get it back to Janice straight away without a problem. 

the babes had a whale of a time at ringcraft.  Jerry was a little superstar and moved up and down beautifully, Jennifer refused point blank, but held her stacked pose wonderfully both on the table and on the mat, and then floated along to go back to her place in the line!  You would have thought she msut never have dreamed of putting the brakes on!  To be honest, it is really Jerry we are concentrating on, Jennifer will only be coming along to keep him company, and help keep up numbers for JW points, as quite a few pups are showing up here this year, and it is a shame if they miss points because not enough are present.  She has far too much white on her throat and chest to be succesful, but I think she will have fun anyway.  She has a head to die for, and so much attitude.

bye
Gwen

bye
Gwen

hi gwen
i can see your point about home counties just befor crufts talking about crufts what do you think the judge will be like shame she blew her coay she is such a lovely bitch
i no amy will be a great help to me and i think its better to see haw she presents her own dogs and then i can see if i like the way she does it but of couse i do she is so good at it and mike i have seen him speed trimming at shows its fantastic the way he does it maby ed just isant blessed with a coat but i have got the go ahead to try this from mum so looks good for the lanolin mixed with their Botanical conditioner so we will get some at crufts and are you there on the sataday im there with my yankee bitch doing a grooming competiton for the YKC but shes got a prob so we cant show her shame shes a lovely bitch you may of seen her at LKA 2 or 3 years ago her first and last show under mike bottomley im sure i saw you at ring side shes mad like her mum shes eds sister ed and hetties mum is tantrums and tiaras if that helps at all maby its me being paranoied i no i can be thanx for putting a schedule for Northern club in the post
glad the puppies had a good time i have never seen 1 of mikes not move gess it may have been stubon first timer we do that with jw with yankies and poodles shame she has to much white but we cant always have great puppies can we but i am sure she will have lots of fun going with jerry and i love a dog with attitude thats haw i think a yankee should be
can u please look at another link for me its about my sisters minature poodle its  'my sisters min poodle gets bronchitis'
i wonderd if you could help at all can you leave a message even if you dont no
thank you so much for everything you have done for me
bibi
fiona

and gwen haw do you get those faces please i love them
bibi
fiona

Hi Fiona, if you put emoticons or smileys into search it should come up with some threads which explain how to do them -- there are lots, but I can usually only remember ;)  & :).

Of course  I know Tantrums & Tiaras, will think about the pedigrees and see if any coat problems appeared anywhere.  We always knew this litter would be largley mismarked, as they are a hybrid from Parti/Solid parents.  Just been very lucky that Jerry has only a tiny amount of white (like his Father Englebert).  Good luck on sunday, and will no doubt see you Friday. 
Bye
Gwen

thankyou for that ill look it up soon the ;) i went to amys yesterday it was great jackie was there as well amy clipped him then had to go some were so jackie trimed him he looks gorgeous shame your not there tomorrow but ill see you fri at crufts then back on sat r we mad..........
i got the northen club shedule on fri and its was sent back yesterday thankyou for that
well mouse was known well i gess well i hope to see jerry in the ring soon
got to go for naw
bibi fiona

Hi fiona,  I am sure he looks lovely after Amys work.  Good luck tomorrow.  I will be hearing all about it by phone from Mike, Lisa & Susan.

bye
Gwen

hiya yes he does with amy and jackies work i got a forth with ed my b&t dog but i think he was having an off day or saving energy for crufts and reserve best vetran in show with my buff bitch i gess you herd about mike say well done for me please but im shaterd naw after a long day we nearly went back home because the snow it was bad here anyway
bibi
fiona

Been reading this thread with interest. I bath Beano about once a week - once a fortnight. If you are only meant to brush after a bath, How do you keep the tangles out???? Is there something to can get to help keep tangles out?? I brush beano about twice a week, and can see, If I didnt brush him that often he would have alot of mats
Lea :)

Hi Lea, you can brush Beano as much as you like to keep the knots down. It's only an issue with a show coat, one where you want to preserve as much coat volume as possible. Show coated Yanks are bathed every three or four days so that the coat can be brushed and kept knot free. The hair is much stronger when it's wet so you get less breakage. Also a good conditioner is essential so that the brush passes through the coat easily. I always leave just a mere trace of the conditioner in the coat after the bath. I then tackle any tats with a soft slicker brush working from the end of the hair to the root. then I dry using a pin brush to straighten the hair. You do still get coat loss, but it's minimal and dead hair has to come out to allow new growth.
Bitches drop a bit of coat at the time of their season, and generally carry less than a dog anyway. Blacks tend to carry the heaviest coats but there always exeptions to that rule.
See you next week.
Dawn R.

Hi Dawn & Lea,  Dawn - Beano is a Rocko son, so carries a very healthy amount of coat ;).  Lea, Dawn is dead right on the coat care issue.  you dont need to panic, you are doing just right with your routine.  It is only the full show coat which requires they very frequent bath and blow dry regime.  This is why we rarely recomend that pets are kept in a full coat, the upkeep is way beyond the average pet home time commitment. 
bye
Gwen

Is that good or bad Gwen (being a Rocko son) ????????????
Would love to know his pedigree, so I can go hunting for his reletives on the net and at crufts!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, I am nosey!!!!! But would love to see his 'family'.
Glad I am doing the grooming right!!! I dont know how you can cope with Yanks in there full coat, but by god, they look beautiful when they are :)
Lea :)

Thanks Nursery. I dont think Beano will have any problems with thin coat!!!!!!!!!! his coat is soooo thick!!!!!! (oh he if buff!!!!!!!)
I have l;eft a trace of conditioner on his hair when I bath him, It seems to work. I did have a problem when he was castrated, I couldnt groom the underside of him for 3 weeks. It was wasnt very good when I did groom it, so his hair under there is slightly shorter now!!!!!!!!
Is there anywhere at crufts I can see Yanks with a pet trim????????? I have been trimming him miyself(dont want to take him to a groomers as have seen a yank that is all clipped off that went to a groomers!!!!) I need some proper clippers as have had to scissor cut his front legs, but left his back legs as he was getting too restless. Would really like to see a dog with a pet trim, so I can get hints!!!!!!!]
Lea :)

Hello Lea, when you are at Crufts you should look out for a bitch called Adeva Wrangle Tan Girl. I'm not sure if she'll be there or not, BUT, she is Beano's daughter. So fingers crossed. You will find quite few half brothers and sisters.
Rocko is Am Ch Laurent's Shamrock Show'n'Tell to Mycalleys. You'll also see a gorgeous nephew, Afterglow Give me Sunshine, his mother is Beano's lovely sister Sheila.
With regard to seeing any in pet trim, well you might see one on the Discover Dogs stand, but don't hold your breath. Then again if there are any entries in the Veteran classes, sometimes some of them are in pet trim. I have two in pet trim, but I ruthlessly clip them off to the skin every six months. They accompany my Irish Setter through the woods and fields every day in all weathers, so it's very practical. It's amazing how fast the hair grows.I do admit though that they look like a Staffie gone very wrong when they're first done.
Dawn R.

Thanks Dawn, I will look out for her :D And can quitely grin that I have her daddy :D does that sound strange when I havnt even bred her?????
I have heard about Sheila from Gwen. Will write the names down.
LOL atr being clipped off. I have wondered about that, but do like him to have long fur, just not show coat!!!!!!!!
I did read on a thread that a junior will be clipping their yank into a pet trim. I cant remember where I saw it tho, so might look out for her on Saturday, but probably wont be able to get near!!!!!!!!!
Lea :D

lea it was me whos doing the pet trim yank if you find the YKC stand and keep coming back you will prob see me i have a black and tan bitch ill let you no what hall i am in tomorrow and i will be there on friday with the brother in a orange colour jacket when im showing so if i dont tell you what hall you can find me then and ill tell you ok
hope to see you soon
bibi
fiona

hi lea if you are threr on sataday ill have my pet trim yankie in a grooming competition on the YKC stand if you are there ill try give you some hints but you will have to wait till i have finnished as we are not supost to talk
bibi
fiona

Fiona, Yes please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only ever groomed English Cockers for shows!!!!!!!!!
What time do you think you will be finished and which dog will you be clipping??????
Will deffinatly look out for you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Going to try and buy some clippers and thining scissors at crufts, so will be geared up for attacking poor Beano on the Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lea :)

ok ill let you no were ill be tomorrow ill try and help you to the best of my knolage i think we start at 11 so maby 1 but ill double check for you ok when you buy them make sure there rite for you get ones that feel rite with and that there good quality thay cost more but last longer and you also do a better job look at peoples you no to get an idear of what you want maby
i promis ill tell you tomorrow ok
bibi for naw
fiona

Thats why I have waited for crufts to get some, I can try before I buy!!!!! LOL
Thanks Fiona
Lea :D

good to hear i always try the sissors and thinners out to see what they feel like things like to see if there not to big or heavy  and also i dont like clippers to heavy so i hold them to see haw thay feel then i go with my gut instinct and not buy them on the price well mum pays at the moment haha
hope you get on well with finding them it will be worth it do you do him at the moment or someone else
talk soon
bibi
fiona

I do him.
I use human clippers without any attatchments for his cace, top of his head and neck. And I have some small scissors to clip his feet and  tail. I bought some thinning scissors to tide me overm but they were c... useless!!!!!!!!!! I can get away with no good clippers, but not without thinning scissors!!!!!!!
Lea :)

i use a 10 blade
i thin the tops of the heads and the top of the tail i strip the back you will prob clip it dont worry if they were cheep im not saying go for the best ever clippers thinners and sissors as long as they work and you feel happy with
bibi for naw fiona

Nope Fiona, they were useless(II cant use the word I would normally!!!!!!!) They cut the hair, not thinned it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to strip the back, but it hasnt been necessary yet(will probably get some 'strippers' while there.)
And the human clippers wont go thru the long Yank hair!!!! Everyone told me so, but I was more iunterested in clipping the head and neck etc, so got the human clippers, now need to clip the head and belly, I need something more substanitial. I donnot care how much I spend on them. Just as long as they work!!!!!!!!
Lea :D

i hane herd that human clippers are
you will find a good range onf things at crufts
what do your thinners look like
post the info bout crufts on later if you are still intrested
bibi
fiona

Hi Lea, just to add to Dawns info, rocko carries a very profuse coat, as do almost all of his kids.  He is almost 9 years old know, and Isaw his yesterday while assisting at a mating.  he still  looks splendid.  I think the discover dogs people are planning to have some pet trim dogs with them on certain days, and we supplied them with lots of phtotos to decortate the stand, including a few of pet trims.  If you see 1 of a Buff on the beach or jumping a tree trunk, then that is Junior, Benos half-brother.
bye
Gwen

Thanks Gwen, Will look out for the photos :D I am sure Beano takes after his dad, but then I havnt met many Yanks. One of the reasins I am coming to crufts!!!!!!!!!
Lea :D

do you nowhat time yankies are in the ring gwen
haw are you havent spoken for a few days
bibi fiona :)

thankyou for telling me what time they are in at least its not to early
bibi
fiona

Good luck Fiona :D
Hope you do well, and will look out for you.
If you are still around, could you let me know the times you are 'on'???
Thanks
Lea :D

hi lea haw r u
did u see me sorry i didnt tell you but i didnt get back till late on the 4th i won the comp and was on t.v yesterday so its been a bit mad here havent had time to come on here i was on between 12 and 2ish
bibi
hope to chat soon fiona

hello ppl is any1 out there??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
bibi fiona :?

I am still here Fi
But been putting up a fence to stop Beano becoming a mud monster every day!!!!!!! LMAO
Lea :)

oh ok i ges hes being a bad boy then good luck with the fence
bibi
fiona